UK accuses China of 'gross' human rights abuses against Uighurs

Economic crashes (this time wilfully inflicted upon ourselves by ourselves), another Great Depression, and the emergence of concentration camps.

History really does repeat itself.

How long before an impoverished Russia ponders, "Hmmm, we annexed Crimea and nobody gave a flying f#, so let's start the rest of the eastern balls rolling..."

PS: So much for me being an eternal optimist by nature.

a reply to: dantanna

they are forcing them into these camps to get them to think like commies

And when they refuse?

The CCP harvests all their organs.

Yes, these camps are bad, and I do not agree with them at all, but where is the evidence they are killing these Muslims? I mean real evidence that they are?

I am not talking about western propaganda, the same western media that falsely said that the Chinese were eating babies, I mean proper evidence.

Thst is a bold statement that this "genocide" is worse than what happend to the jews.

Yes, they are most prob treated badly in these camps, but we're the Muslims in Guantanamo Bay not tortured or abused?

The Chinese government needs to stop these camps, as no one should be locked up line this over their religion, unless it's terror related, but genocide?

That seems to be coming from anti China people and media. The same that said chinese people eat babies. Also, there has been alot of proven hoax videos and photos, that were proved fake, thst came from western countries.

If China is killing muslims, lime you are all saying, then we should come down on them lime a ton of bricks, but eith all the western media BS stories g
coming out, how do you know what is real, and what is not?

You cannot say it's all real, just because you do not lime the CCP.

a reply to: Jay-morris

NPR - China Suppression Of Uighur Minorities Meets U.N. Definition Of Genocide, Report Says

China is killing religious and ethnic minorities and harvesting their organs, UN Human Rights Council told

This dissident leaked explosive documents depicting China’s brutal treatment of Uighurs

The World’s Most Technologically Sophisticated Genocide Is Happening in Xinjiang



eta- I say it's real because I have been watching and know some history.

It's true there is no proof how many have been killed. So you have a valid point. I still think the CCP has killed more than Hitler and Hitler didn't harvest organs as far as I know.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

eta- It's true there is no proof how many have been killed. So you have a valid point. I still think the CCP has killed more than Hitler and Hitler didn't harvest organs as far as I know.

You are right, there is no proof. The only proof we have are these camps, that's it. But one thing is for sure, the western media is full on propaganda with China at the moment. All sorts of news is coming out. Even on here we are getting people post fake news regarding China as real news.

Like I said before. I debated eith people on here a little while ago because they were claiming that chinese people are babies. Of course it was news from a western media outlet, and it was completly false.

What we need is proof that this is happening, and not just hearsay, all because western powers want their people to hate China.

We saw the same propaganda in ww2 sith the Germans. They managed, through propaganda to turn the German people against the jews. It was not hard to do.

A few years back, the same thing happend to Russia. We were seeing BS fake news co evening Russia. Of course that died down because now China is the bad boy in town.

If China are doing this, then it should be condemned by everyone, but I want real evidence before I believe it. Why? Because I have seen so much BS evidence regarding China over the last year.

a reply to: Jay-morris

If China are doing this, then it should be condemned by everyone, but I want real evidence before I believe it. Why? Because I have seen so much BS evidence regarding China over the last year.

There is plenty of hard evidence for things like forced sterilization and abortion. This is also considered genocide.

You would think woman rights groups would be protesting the CCP.

China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization

The Chinese government is taking draconian measures to slash birth rates among Uighurs and other minorities as part of a sweeping campaign to curb its Muslim population, even as it encourages some of the country’s Han majority to have more children.

While individual women have spoken out before about forced birth control, the practice is far more widespread and systematic than previously known, according to an AP investigation based on government statistics, state documents and interviews with 30 ex-detainees, family members and a former detention camp instructor. The campaign over the past four years in the far west region of Xinjiang is leading to what some experts are calling a form of “demographic genocide.”

The state regularly subjects minority women to pregnancy checks, and forces intrauterine devices, sterilization and even abortion on hundreds of thousands, the interviews and data show. Even while the use of IUDs and sterilization has fallen nationwide, it is rising sharply in Xinjiang.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

If they are doing this, then this needs to be condemned by everyone, and sanctions need to be put in place. But I am cautious because there is a big move in the West do come out with anti China propaganda. So people need to know what is real, and what is not real.

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

When did the US and UK say "hell yeah I would"?

Or are you just playing pretend?

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: LookingAtMars

What we can see here is a real opportunity for the Christian and Islamic world to find some commonality and face the Chinese as one. this moment could be the very moment that all the chaos of the past 100 years between the Abraham religions ceases and they find common cause in confronting the Communists who will in the long term see all of Abraham as something to erase from the Planet. Its just a conspiracy theory but one that unite Abramics

Around the turn of this century, the Keston Institute thoroughly researched the past collaboration between the Soviets and Alexis II, patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church at the time. Its report concluded: “Aleksi’s collaboration was nothing exceptional—almost all senior leaders of all officially-recognised religious faiths—including the Catholics, Baptists, Adventists, Muslims and Buddhists—were recruited KGB agents. Indeed, the annual report that describes Aleksi’s recruitment also covers numerous other agents, some of them in the Estonian Lutheran Church.”

Would the situation be that much different in China?

To Be a Bishop

● According to a mainland Chinese newspaper, newly elected Catholic bishop Zhang Xin of Taiyuan city was required to swear allegiance to the governing party in a church ceremony. The report said that, kneeling before the altar with his hand on a Bible, he swore “firmly to uphold the leadership of the Chinese Communist party and the people’s government, to follow the Socialist road, to respect the constitution . . . and all laws and decrees issued by the government.”

Source: Watching the World (Awake!—1982)

Loyalty to Church​—Or State?

● “The Vatican has become increasingly concerned about what it sees as efforts by some governments to alienate Roman Catholics from loyalty to the church,” reports the International Herald Tribune of Paris. According to the report, the pope is “deeply concerned” about the status of the Roman Catholic Church in China because the “only legal worship is in churches that are controlled by what is known as the Patriotic Church, run by ordained priests who have openly rejected papal authority and reject everything that the Vatican has done since 1949.” The article mentions China, Vietnam, Czechoslovakia and Albania and quotes the pope as saying: “They try to create a church cut off from the Apostolic See . . . making them believe that they can continue to practice their faith in full independence.”

Source: Watching the World (Awake!—1984)

Not ‘Persecuted’?

● In a recent statement mainland Chinese Catholics have denounced Pope John Paul II for claiming that Catholics in China are being persecuted. Calling it “vicious slander based on false testimonies,” they threatened to “launch a counterattack” if the pope does not stop “his false testimonies and accusations.” According to the New York Times, the pope had “compared the situation of Chinese Catholics to the persecution of the early Christians,” and asked that prayers be said for them. The Chinese statement, issued on behalf of three Catholic organizations recognized by the Chinese government, claims to represent the views of all Chinese Catholics. It pointed to the freedom they have enjoyed in recent years allowing them to restore over two hundred churches and worship more freely. “Chinese Catholics are nervous that this could be jeopardized if the Vatican presses too hard,” said the Times. Much of this freedom has resulted from backing the government’s policies and refusing to submit to the Vatican.

Source: Watching the World (Awake!—1982)

1977:

China’s Catholicism

◆ Only a few Roman Catholic priests still function in the People’s Republic of China, according to the Washington Post. And the few existing Catholic Church congregations “are made up of a dwindling number of elderly believers.” Priest Fu Tin-shan of Peking said that Peking’s Catholic clergy approve of divorce and abortion and believe that the Vatican “has always been a tool of imperialism.” According to the Washington Post, Mao Tse-tung and the Communist Party “scored more points than God” in Fu’s explanation of Chinese Catholic theology.

1981:

China’s New Catholics

◆ A recent dispatch from Shanghai claims that religion is thriving. At Holy Mary, Mother of God Cathedral, Mass is celebrated five times every Sunday and hundreds of Chinese Catholics attend each Mass. But there is a hitch: The Chinese Church does not accept the authority of the Vatican or the pope; and neither does Rome recognize the bishops and priests appointed by the hierarchy in China since the Church reopened. Ignoring Vatican Council II, Chinese priests still sing Mass in Latin.

“The Vatican does not allow us to love our country,” said priest Sheng Pao-tse of the Shanghai cathedral, which operates under the China Patriotic Catholic Association. The objective of the Association is to “help the Government implement the policy of religious freedom and . . . unite all prelates and believers in the spirit of patriotism.” Clergyman Sheng claims the Vatican has urged Catholics in China, estimated at about three million, not to go to church but to worship in private.

Religious leaders have completely departed from Jesus’ command to stay neutral in political affairs. In Jesus’ day, Galilee “was the heartland of ethnic nationalism,” states writer Trevor Morrow. Many Jewish patriots took up arms to gain political and religious freedom. Did Jesus tell his disciples to get involved in such struggles? No. On the contrary, he told them: “You are no part of the world.” (John 15:19; 17:14) Instead of remaining neutral, however, church leaders developed what Irish writer Hubert Butler describes as “militant and political ecclesiasticism.” “Political Christianity,” he writes, “is almost always also militarist Christianity and when statesmen and ecclesiastics come to terms it always happens that, in return for certain privileges, the Church gives its blessing to the military forces of the state.”

That doesn't only count for the behaviour of the churches in Christendom.

‘Your Hands Are Full of Blood’ (1987)

“EVEN though you make many prayers, I am not listening; with bloodshed your very hands have become filled.” Thus said almighty God to those who professed to serve him but who were involved in shedding innocent blood.​—Isaiah 1:15.

Are this world’s religions guilty of shedding innocent blood? Yes, they certainly are. In every war of our 20th century, the religions of this world and their clergy have supported the bloodshed. This has even led to members of the same religion killing one another on a mass scale.

Yet, Jesus taught his followers to ‘return their sword to its place.’ (Matthew 26:52) The apostle Paul stated: “The weapons of our warfare are not fleshly.” (2 Corinthians 10:4) The powerful message of God’s Word is that those who practice true religion must love one another and not shed blood: “The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Everyone who does not carry on righteousness does not originate with God, neither does he who does not love his brother. For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should have love for one another; not like Cain, who originated with the wicked one and slaughtered his brother.”​—1 John 3:10-12.

If a religion does not practice this kind of love, its prayers will not be heard by God. The Bible says: “Whatever we ask we receive from him, because we are observing his commandments and are doing the things that are pleasing in his eyes.” (1 John 3:22) But this world’s religions have not observed God’s commandments. Instead, they have weakly gone along with the slaughtering of some one hundred million people in the wars of this century alone!

Will Leaders and People Listen?

. . .

Nationalism and religion often go together. Wrote Dr. Robert L. Kahn, a rabbi: “Religion and Nationalism always tend to go hand in hand. In times of war, particularly, . . . ‘For God and Country’ becomes a sort of battle cry. This has always been so. [In World War II] one of the popular songs was the war-whoop of a chaplain, ‘Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition.”’

In contrast, true Christians are:

Searching for Friends of Peace (Song 141 with lyrics)

a reply to: whereislogic

Wowzers........ What a post

Must be wag the dog time again

The press have never been known to use fake footage ever add in the shaved hair stories the press were throwing our way wait for soap and lampshades made from articles to air , next they will be rounding up Falun gong

I'm sure its all just western propaganda I mean it must be, jmorris is convinced so must be.

Besides the CCP highly values human life and cultural diversity not to mention how tolerant they are of religions....

a reply to: Lysergic

As an example they treat Falun Gong practitioners with the utmost respect.

They'd never systematically oppress them and harvest their organs, thats just western propaganda made up by hateful white nationalist.

That’s a very serious accusation. We need to know the reality that’s taking place and stop having all this speculation. China needs to speak on this issue and open itself up for international oversight to debunk these claims before they go further...

Unless China wants to pretend the footage is just fake and not even comment on it allowing continued speculation and division as it’s currently doing.

This is an important issue to continue watching, far bigger than masks BLM and drump

a reply to: LookingAtMars

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Lysergic

As an example they treat Falun Gong practitioners with the utmost respect.

They'd never systematically oppress them and harvest their organs, thats just western propaganda made up by hateful white nationalist.

And they will give you plenty of warning before opening all the dams up and turning the electricity off if you are in the way

Lovely people but rubbish at engineering

a reply to: Lysergic

As an example they treat Falun Gong practitioners with the utmost respect.

They'd never systematically oppress them and harvest their organs, thats just western propaganda made up by hateful white nationalist

Falun Gong is a cult. A cult that has destroyed many families and people in China.

Where is your evidence they harvest organs from Falun Gong practitioners? I mean real evidence?

And you talk as if there is no western propaganda regarding China. On this site alone we pretty much see daily BS propaganda regarding China. And people lime you believe every single one of them.

Do you also believe Chinese people eat babies

a reply to: Jay-morris

But I am cautious because there is a big move in the West do come out with anti China propaganda. So people need to know what is real, and what is not real.

I am sure there is some anti China propaganda out there.

There is also a lot of anti American propaganda too. Directed at the office of the President and the Constitution. That worries me more than anti China propaganda.

You want proof and facts. Good luck with that. Unless you move to China and do lots of observing and questioning you will never really know the truth.

All we can do is watch, use our knowledge and past experiences and come to a conclusion. I have concluded the CCP is evil.

I am sure I could of been influenced by propaganda a bit, but from what I have seen over the years. They really are evil.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

I am sure there is some anti China propaganda out there.

Oh there is alot

There is also a lot of anti American propaganda too. 

As I have stated before, every government uses propaganda towards over countries. How are wars and invasions started?

How did the Nazis convince the German people to turn against the Jews? Good old propaganda.

Directed at the office of the President and the Constitution. That worries me more than anti China propaganda.

Thsts more to do with the fact that he is a complete moron with a cult/religous like following.

You want proof and facts. Good luck with that. Unless you move to China and do lots of observing and questioning you will never really know the truth.

I actually lived and travelled china for three years, so I know what it is like to live in China.

All we can do is watch, use our knowledge and past experiences and come to a conclusion. I have concluded the CCP is evil.

I am sure I could of been influenced by propaganda a bit, but from what I have seen over the years. They really are evil.

See, this is what really bugs me. Yes, the CCP have done terrible things, but here is a news Flash for you, so has the West. Iraq, Libya and Yemen to name three in the last three decades. All cost the lives of thousands of innocent men, women and children, all had an agenda, and had nothing to do with saving people. But that's ok right? Because it's the West?

We are brainwashed to forgive and forget our own governments horrors, while pointing fingers at other countries.

But it's not just you. Alot of people from whatever country they are from do the exact same thing as you, and this is the problem, and one of the reasons we will always have tribal warfare.