Former third party voter and longtime lurker on ATS voting for Trump!

It’s been a long while since I came back to ATS, but I needed to speak out more than ever and most sites are biased for left wing views.

My time following politics began some time ago around 2000 in my early teenage years. I was seeing the presidential candidates Bush vs Al Gore and I was hearing him talk about global warming and at the time I could see that there was a real environmental concern in the world. He did not win and we saw that Bush won instead then the 9/11 attacks hit our country and years of war started from there.

2004- Next up we had the 2004 term of Bush’s re-election, he won of course. Around 2006 is when I started to research the alternative media coverage and ran into libertarian ideals and the presidential candidate Ron Paul, along with that we had the whole wikileaks and Chelsea Manning whistleblowers fiasco showing us the dangers of the patriot act brought by Bush, the falsified wars for oil and the sweeping dragnet of communications surveillance on American citizens that ensued. Ron Paul had me with his opposition to war declarations being unconstitutional without congress approval with the example of multiple invasions in the Middle East. He was the first presidential candidate I donated money to. He also proposed isolationism or something closer to anti-globalization which made sense to me in terms of helping to curb global trade which caused unnecessary excess emissions in our atmosphere, for the aristocratic tastes of a nation to ship a Fuji apple from Japan to the USA because some rich person really wanted to eat it. Ron Paul ran in 2008 and I was seeing a big support for him online, through alternative media, but in reality it was a different story. The establishment candidates pushed him out of his miniscule spotlight that the Mainstream Media offered him. During Bush’s presidency the libertarians, whose main voice was Ron Paul, were causing a lot of attention online causing the start of the Tea Party. This is where alternative media like Alex Jones (Infowars) and Abovetopsecret (dot) com started to cover things that the mainstream media would not. Ron Paul also wanted to end the federal reserve and that also caused a large online international movement to end central banks and in the usa it was called end the fed, which would bring us back to the gold standard and remove the inflated price of the dollar, I think this would have not worked in our large economy so it was not a popular aspect with me. I still voted for Ron Paul in a swing state instead of voting for McCain or Obama.

2008- McCain and Obama faced off. Obama had won, I heard a lot about the birther movement stuff that Trump had pushed out in the online community. I did not buy it as I saw it was a weak blow, instead I saw that this man (Obama) was willing to sell out the American taxpayers by effectively throwng all the stolen money at the big banks which should not have been bailed out. I joined in the Occupy movement at this time. I saw the way Obama was treating those who were protesting, when he was visiting NYC he made sure to put protestors in “protest zones” making sure they do not get caught in the media coverage, he did not care about his voting base. The occupy movement was crushed as I saw on livestreaming the finance treasurer called for a general meeting of the occupy Wall Street movement asked for a fake vote which somehow made sure the finances raised for the movement go towards Egyptian revolutionaries which were trying to overthrow the Mubarak government and instead put in the Muslim Brotherhood Morsi in office who was far worse, (this was precluding the Arab spring events in Northern Africa and ME countries). He created a new constitution with Sharia law into effect. During the occupy movement, the alternative right wing online media started to say that the movement was being funded by George Soros (wait for that name to come up again later). During these years some other groups started to be created, such as, sovereign citizens, and oath keepers. The views of these groups were too much for the average person and it did not help in gaining much support for the right wing side of politics.

2012- Obama was going for his second term and I saw that he made no plans on fixing the environment as he pushed through the keystone pipeline construction and was not really focusing on green energy. Sarah Palin had co-opted the Tea Party into the Republican party which was a terrible thing as the Tea Party just turned into some offshoot of Alex Jones followers mixed with racist elements, which totally destroyed the initial message of bringing constitutionalism back as much as possible. I saw the whole FEMA camps thing as total hogwash, Alex Jones would have done better convincing the right wing about the real dangers developing in East Asia, but it was just about clickbait and profits for him. Snowden also appeared to show us the massive surveillance being used again by the Obama administration through the NSA. For voting in this election I instead saw that the better candidate was Jill Stein of the green party as I wanted her environmental stance to take priority in policy making. She also wanted to pull us out of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars which Mitt Romney and Obama both wanted to continue. Obama had won and then all the videos showing police violence against blacks started to come online after the Trayvon Martin shooting and I was affected and took sympathy towards this. Along with that we had the BP oil rig disaster which Obama did as little as possible to BP, mostly a slap on the wrist, even though it destroyed so much of the Gulf of Mexico’s wildlife. I started to look at his whole presidency with cynicism and dismay. He had Hilary conduct proxy wars in Libya and carried out more bombings of countries than Bush did. The Obamacare act actually helped me as a private citizen get overpriced medical care coverage when I had a few serious physical ailments. I can say that was the only silver lining I saw in his presidency. The Black lives matter movement had spawned during these four years as more videos of police brutality came online, I was not really interested in the Black Lives Matter movement only trying to see the police brutality ending or reduced.

2015-2016
Bernie Sanders
Black Lives Matter makes a comeback, Bernie Sanders appeared to me around December of 2014 on Reddit, he made a huge wave with the online community and he had what seemed to be a flawless record in terms of standing up for social issues, against the Iraq and Afghanistan war, opposed the tough on crime act but voted for the crime bill in 1994 (Written by Joe Biden, signed by Bill Clinton) as it also included violence against women act (cracked down on domestic violence & rape) which he supported. He was the first Presidential candidate I reached the donation limit with. In the races he practically tied in Iowa and it seemed that then it was too much for Clinton she was already planning her attack dogs as she saw the threat he posed. She mainly used Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DWS) for her control of primary votes, we saw through online media (like The Young Turks) that in most of the primary voting locations in Nevada, counts were not being done properly in favour of Clinton. Bernie was having a huge surge in donations throughout most of the campaign as many people were giving the federal donation limit, while at the same time Clinton was doing non-stop events at millionaire charity fundraisers for them to sponsor checks for her campaign (as Citizens United has passed into law previously). After Nevada we saw a down surge in Bernie’s chances, for the cherry on top moment Bill Clinton would (illegally walk into voting precincts as a political statement essentially breaking voting laws, but he would get a pass as the former president with little fuss from a majority of Democrats). Not only did I donate the maximum amount possible to Bernie’s campaign but I also joined as an activist and campaign volunteer locally, it was infuriating to see how Hilary, the media, and the DNC piled against him to ensure he loses, in August 2015 we saw Black Lives Matter protestors take the microphone away from Bernie (which they never did to Hilary who supported the crime the 94’ crime bill and called African-american kids superpredators, with “no conscience, no empathy”) and hijack his campaign event which made them lose all credibility as an grassroots organization, and showed they were being directed by outside interests. I remember how many times Hilary would flip-flop on the debates vs Bernie. At first she was for fracking, then his policies against fracking won and she changed her stance, the same regarding medicare for all through a single payer system, she flipped once again and started to say that we can move towards that. Then after one of the primaries around March or April 2016 we were seeing Bernie’s momentum increasing still and then all of a sudden we saw Bernie’s stance in his candidacy waning on by his own doing. At one debate or speech we could see that Bernie was looking very pale white and it was around this time that we suspected death threats were made to his family members by the Clinton family (there were rumors she had a body count), I don’t really know whether that was true but I do know there was a sudden change in his demeanor and how much of a motivational speaker he was despite having a close tie in the states. He went downhill after that and he had a huge following behind him, he didn’t split the Dem party even though he could have easily done it at the time and made a huge boost as an independent party nominee (as he was an independent before joining Democrats) and he endorsed Clinton as the Democratic primary nominee. I stopped following the primaries after that from disgust. He brought up a lof of policy issues that I still wanted to see go through, such as, ending Citizens united, a living wage (this would have destroyed Wal-mart earlier on and stopped so much Chinese imports), and overturning the Glass-Steagle act which destroyed the housing market. Bill Clinton did a lot of horrible things, Brought China into the WTO, enacted the Glass-Steagle act, also the 1994 Crime Bill he signed into law (Written by Joe Biden) which put so many African-American’s into the prison system. I was not willing to support his wife who defended all these decisions as well while she was FLOTUS. Bill Clinton signing NAFTA as well ushered China into US markets and crippling businesses across the united states and causing the Chinese economy to surge much higher at a very rapid pace, it was essentially a looting. China was not following 100 years of progress made in the United States in terms of child labor laws, environmental law, and health and safety workspace conditions laws which allowed them to produce goods in a much larger way along with the Chinese currency being manipulated as well, this put American businesses 2nd in terms of priority for those decades.

2016,
Hilary vs Trump
I had lost motivation in the races after Bernie was defeated and we were coming to two people I believed were corrupt. Once it came to voting for the next president I wrote in Bernie Sanders name (in a swing state) as a protest vote, even though I wanted Clinton to lose no matter what for her and the DNC parties reputation. Before trump Fox was a giant that was not able to taken down and the entire left-wing media was controlled by Soros and other globalists. We were stuck with bad politicians and filtered/controlled media coverage, it was a desperate time in America and people were looking for something to bring us out of the nonsense. Trump had won.

2016-2019
I had gone through these years seeing President Trump in office and did not despise him nor did I like him. I noticed how much the left wing media could not drop the whole supposed Russia collaboration with the election while the media completely stayed quiet before he was elected regarding Hilary’s missing emails. I left from the USA to India at the end of 2017 and did not look back as I was focused on Volunteer activities for a non-profit organization.

2019-2020
While in India from the end of 2017 I did not focus on anything related to politics and was enjoying my life as a volunteer, and still I am. Towards the beginning of the year Covid-19 makes an appearance in the world originating from China, now we saw a change in the way China is viewed in the world, the floodgates were opening following this timeline of events:

Timeline:
14-01-2020 WHO investigations on Covid-19 suggest no sign of human-to-human transmission
01-04-2020 Bloomberg puts an article that China concealed the extent of the virus
29-03-2020 China enforces an extradition bill in Hong Kong (a tool to crush freedom and democracy of the Hong Kong people)
10-04-2020 Japan plans move to pay manufacturers to leave China
15-04-2020 Ambassador Sam Brownback mentions Uyghir mistreatment on twitter
18-04-2020 Trump drafts a WHO resolution to investigate the origin and WHO response to Covid-19 (India supported this resolution, Australia was the first to ask for the investigation in April)
20-04-2020 Nepal draws a new map showing parts of India as within its border to promote conflict (with the backing of Chinese government.)
21-04-2020 border tensions between China and India begin
26-04-2020 protests start in Minneapolis after George Floyd death
23-05-2020 China focuses more troops along the China-India border

04-06-2020 on the anniversary of Tiananmen square I read the cable which mentions that students gathered in protest of the Chinese government at the time(1989) were bulldozed and turned into "PIE" then hosed down drains en.wikisource.org... the government then is the same government still in power today.
06-06-2020 Mike Pompeo sends a press statement regarding China's exploitation of George Floyd protest to justify abuse of human rights domestically and in Hong Kong www.state.gov...
07-06-2020 Minneapolis police force disbanded
08-06-2020 Seattle capitol hill goes into riots and turns into CHAZ/CHOP no police zone until July, one member of Seattle city council Kshama Sawant (Communist [not really a socialist] from India) praises the effort as a protest against oppression.
12-06-2020 read an article describing how ActBlue is a front money funnelling operation for the DNC and BLM, they do not allow Republican's to use the ActBlue donation platform. justthenews.com...
13-06-2020 Ex-KGB member describes how a nation can be subverted over time to become anti-democry and anti-nationalist www.youtube.com... , full documentary can be searched for also.
14-06-2020 (Important) Watched a very important Youtube video clearly showing that the US and India riots are identical and being brought on by Soros and CIA Ford foundation "Answer These Questions [PowerPacked Challenge] Link[Delhi/US]Riots - Part 2" www.youtube.com... (String) Youtube video channel
14-06-2020 read Forbes opinion article clearly disclosing the ties between media and billionares who influence it "Billionares battle over media influence Koch bros murdoch vs soros buffett ge"
14-06-2020 Read an article how Apple allowed encryption keys to China under pressure from the CCP as they were threatening closing off local supply chains, they never gave the encryption keys to us government.
16-06-2020 First Ladakh border casualties between India-China in 45 years, this shows a new level of desperation, one Commanding officer and a few others were killed by the Chinese army.
17-06-2020 Wached the documentary Death By China: How America lost it's manufacturing base
19-06-2020 State-sponsored Chinese cyber hackers starts nationwide hacking of Australia
20-06-2020 Trump retweets news source that Soros-Affiliated Anti-deportation group part of defund police movement
22-06-2020 Watched PBS undercover documentary China's Vanishing Muslims
23-06-2020 - India makes plans to reduce its trade deficit with China by $8.4 billion or 17.3% of its deficit with that country over fiscal 2022
27-06-2020 - Watched FRONTLINE Trump's Trade War
29-06-2020 - Watched FRONTLINE China Undercover Documentary
29-06-2020 - China forces birth control on Uighurs to suppress population by The Associated PressJune 29, 2020 GMT apnews.com...
1-07-2020 - China enforces their Extradition policy on Hong Kong which would cause any protesting citizens to be able to try in a kangaroo court in mainland China.
01-07-2020 - read an article describing the CCP to restore their position as the world’s supreme power by the year 2049, which is the centennial of the founding of the People’s Republic of China www.axios.com...
02-07-2020 -Unlicensed Assault weapons coming from China caught by U.S. customs dept.www.cbp.gov...
03-07-2020 - Antifa members start to try to destroy the Portland federal office twitter.com...
06-07-2020 Black Panther militia march in Georgia, almost all of them appear to have the same assault weapons, it is entirely possible the weapons are being supplied by outside forces (China).
07-07-2020 FBI director Michael Wray mentions of the nearly 5,000 active FBI counterintelligence cases currently underway across the country, about half are all related to China FBI opened a new Chinese counterintelligence investigation “about every 10 hours.”
07-07-2020 Ilhan Omar (Democratic party representative of Minneapolis) calls for dismantilng of the U.S. economy and political systems, what would replace capitalism? Marxist Communism of course.
10-07-2020 California expected to release a total of 18,000 prisoners (including rapists and murders) back into the state due to Corona a decision made by Democratic governor Gary Newsom.

While living in India for over two years I had no idea how China was a neighbor, slowly they were creeping into democratic nations to subdue them with cultural subversion, they use Pakistan as a puppet government, they are pushing Nepal (a long time ally of India) into conflict by having them draw a new border map. The Chinese government works to ensure the world focuses on George Floyd protests while they quickly retake Hong Kong under communist rule. While Trump drafts the WHO bill to investigate the source of the virus in China with other countries backing it, attempts to subdue countries backing the resolution starts to happen.

It is clear that based on these things we can see how China manipulated the world for many years, while I was in the USA we never imagined what they were capable of. Now living outside the USA I have an outside perspective of the situation with China as a neighbor to India. China had established itself as an innocent giant supermarket and that is how they appeared to be for most Americans that would shop for Chinese products for decades not knowing they were really feeding an authoritarian regime.

With the Trump presidency, this point has been highlighted and many countries have felt the wrath of China from speaking out against their actions. They have influenced many nations through economic warfare (if countries speak out the CCP tells Chinese citizens to boycott opposing countries products) and have been committing planned cultural subversion to take away democracy and freedom of other nations by funding/supporting these anti-national groups around the world with the help of billionaires like Soros. Even our corporations are afraid to speak out against China for fear of suddenly losing their supply chains, the pressure than can only come from a government and people which the Trump administration has been doing for some time.

I originally had believed that climate change needed to be the top thing to be tackled and that nothing else should take priority, but it appears that we have an emergency on our hands as Communism/Marxism seems to be altering world affairs. We need to support Nationalism in countries that practice Democracy (Like the USA and India) at all costs. These riots and protests are being controlled and coerced by outside forces as I witnessed with the whole Occupy Wall Street movement, in the Occupy movement we saw a fair share of black-bloc terrorists hijacking the movement and painting a bad media image.

With the case of Black Lives Matter, they were originally started to radically change the democratic party in a Marxist fashion by announcing defunding the police and giving illegal immigrants the right to vote. BLM has been found to be donating to the democratic party and receiving money from outside countries (kind of similar to how Russia was influencing US elections in 2016 but worse). Along with that they are affiliated with George Soros' Open Society Foundation (on their webpage under the partners section).

The financial head of BLM is Susan Rosenberg who is a communist that blew up sections of the U.S. capitol building (she was pardoned by Bill Clinton). She is the finance chair head of Thousand Currents which is receiving funds from Give Lively, Give lively is owned by Jonathan Soros (son of George Soros), contributions are coming into thousand currents from Soros and from Thousand currents to BLM.

It is clear the democratic party is trying everything possible to make Trump and the police look bad. Obviously, BLM will not be endorsing Trump, they will endorse Biden and they have a lot of financial power as well. They and the democratic party want to destroy the cities, destroy democracy, destroy capitalism (which goes against communism) all to make sure that Trump does not win again, they are acting on behalf of Communism (China) and billionaires that profit off of this (Soros),

This question needs to be seriously thought about: Would it have made sense for us to give Soviet Russia in the 1980's all our technology blueprints, Intellectual property, manufacturing base, and owing debt to them? Absolutely not. This is why we need to decouple from China immediately. Communism plans to take over the country and they are running out of time as the world has opened their eyes to seeing China as a threat after the Coronavirus appeared. My final thoughts are we need to vote for Trump more than ever.

a reply to: MultiversalSoul
You must be a political science expert...and a very astute one at that. No one with your in-depth knowledge of the last 20 years could/would vote for Joe Biden.

Thank-you for sharing what you've observed in such detail. Very educational!

a reply to: MultiversalSoul

You think that with an entire planet to plunder, that China would go for the US? Possibly the hardest target of them all?

Paranoia.

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

a reply to: chr0naut

You can't be top dog, when the current top dog is top dog. You have to take over the position. You do that by waiting for the opportunity to exert your control. China has patiently waited to do just that. Just my opinion

Camain

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

You think that with an entire planet to plunder, that China would go for the US? Possibly the hardest target of them all?

Paranoia.

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

The USA is the golden goose for the world's manufacturers.
Of course, China, hell-bent on owning the world's production, is going to go after the US.

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

The guy's been here a lot longer than you and long before Trump became POTUS.

Just saying...

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

Until now I thought you were anti Trump but that post makes it clear you actually are anti America.

Korea War - Harry S. Truman. He was old school Democrat, when that was a decent party.
Vietnam War - 5 presidents : Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Gerald Ford.

You exposed yourself.

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

You exposed yourself.

It was a small thing. Nothing big. A trifle you might say.

This is not the first time he exposed himself.

a reply to: MultiversalSoul

So why did you stop posting back in 2012, you posted a handful of times over about a year and disappeared??

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

Until now I thought you were anti Trump but that post makes it clear you actually are anti America.

Korea War - Harry S. Truman. He was old school Democrat, when that was a decent party.
Vietnam War - 5 presidents : Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Gerald Ford.

You exposed yourself.

I love the good things about America. Their wars and foreign aggression, not so.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

You think that with an entire planet to plunder, that China would go for the US? Possibly the hardest target of them all?

Paranoia.

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

The USA is the golden goose for the world's manufacturers.
Of course, China, hell-bent on owning the world's production, is going to go after the US.

Nope.

Global manufacturing scorecard: How the US compares to 18 other nations - Brookings Institute

a reply to: chr0naut

Are you really that stupid? He's talking about US consumption and you bring up manufacturing? China goes after the largest CONSUMER....

I'm not sure if you just aren't smart enough to comprehend what he was saying or if you were trying to subvert what he was saying as a way of canceling his argument. Either way it failed.

Jaden

a reply to: Kurokage

Well I started leaning more towards the left in my views, I saw this website a bit too much on the right side for my taste, it was not appealing for me anymore at the time. Now I am glad this place exists that is open to views outside of group think. Around 2012 I was lurking more in the conspiracy threads (mainly mayan calendar crap that I almost completely fell for) and it took a huge toll on me emotionally, mainly defeatism settled in, a dark chapter in life you might say.

This was a bit off topic, lets not derail the subject matter.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Sunday 18th July

then that would explain why my comment was removed then, lol thread drift

and looking at the S+F dont think i was wrong, i did not even mention trump

a reply to: MultiversalSoul

30 year libertarian who voted for Reagan( glad I did) , neither Bush nor Dukakis, i've voted for the libertarian candidate, voted for Perot, even voted for Nader although he would have made a bad( if honest) POTUS. I voted for McCain and I voted for Romney although I ended up despising them almost as much as Obama. Obama was an empty suit puppet but those two were sell out traitors.
But I voted for Trump despite not liking him personally. But he's bene the best POTUS we've had since Reagan and more on the people's side than any POTUS since Reagan. I'll vote for him again. Biden is corrupt and senile as hell and God only knows what they'll have him doing as their idiot rubber stamp.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: MultiversalSoul

You think that with an entire planet to plunder, that China would go for the US? Possibly the hardest target of them all?

Paranoia.

America is expansionist too.

Do you think that they had some reason or right in Korea? Vietnam? Afganistan? Africa? The Pacific Islands?

Face it, they are all as bad as each other.

No.

You rather China push up on nz or the USA don't lie.