originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Boadicea
You are missing one of Bernays points.
No, not missing anything... merely expanding on the whys and wherefores of why it is and is not effective.
Being part of a group is one of mankind’s core values.
Not in and of itself. We are all part of lots of groups. We are all part of humanity. We are all part of a nation. We are all part of a family.
We are all part of a community. We are all part of a race. We are all part of a profession. We are all part of a religious belief (even if we
believe there is nothing to believe in).
Rather, the desire to be part of specific
groups is simply a tool to achieve something else -- perhaps the protection of a group, or the
resources of a group, or the approval of a group, or the echo chamber of a group, or the domination of a group... it's not just about being part of a
group. It's about being part of a specific group for a specific purpose.
If the “group think” can be manipulated by outside sources, then one can be manipulated into believing and acting in ways that go against
their other core values.
Sure, some -- perhaps many or even most -- can have their basic common values and principles tweaked and exploited, particularly by stroking and
feeding the ego, and/or striking fear and panic in their souls.
But not everyone. This is why we have words like "defectors" and "dissenters" and "dissidents" and "apostates" and so on. There is a huge civil war
in the Democrat party right now. Cancel culture is the latest battle front. Progressives have done their best to manipulate the "group think," and
those with the eyes to see and the ears to listen are not being manipulated by the "group think" because it violates their core values and principles
Because the core value of being part of the group verse being opposed to the group is more powerful than any other pre existing core values.
No matter what group you belong to, there will be an opposing group. So it's about which group you choose to align with and want to be part of. It's
about the motivation and desires in choosing the group you choose.
They use this group think to control the masses who otherwise could not be controlled in a more one on one approach.
Well, I'd say it's more about taking control of the education in the nation and dumbing down their students. Garbage in and garbage out, and this is
what we get. It is more difficult to learn the older one gets, but the school of hard knocks will catch up with everyone, and give everyone the
chance to learn better, and then do better.
The mob is much more easily manipulated than the individual. The individuals attachment to the mob generally assures that they go along with
the mob mentality, regardless of any pre existing core values.
This is true. In addition to the dumbing down, many people are sheeple, and prefer to let others do their thinking for them. Some don't have the
confidence in themselves or the courage of their convictions to say or do what they know is right. All such people are inclined to go along with the
But not everyone. Many people know when something is going south and not only know they don't want to be part of it, they have the strength and
courage of their convictions to walk away.
Why default to the former when we can champion the latter?