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Dr. Fauci is good at what he does, but he is not perfect.
I listen to what Fauci has to say as well,
You can worship him all you want;
You might notice something... I have not posted many supporting links when talking with you. I have when talking with others. There's a reason for that: you are not worth my time assembling and formatting links. Sorry to have to be so blunt, but that seems to be the only way you'll get it. You're not worth the effort.
Nope, he's not. Nobody is. What we know for sure, he's certainly a hell of a lot qualified that the people posting on here.
You listen, but you don't pay attention, hence why you've spending all this time defending the supposed effectiveness of this drug with nothing but your own opinions and personal conclusions.
Me saying Fauci is more qualified to make judgements on Hydroxychloroquine doesn't necessarily mean I worship the man. We're bordering on ad hominems here. Let's be adults and stay clean of that ok?
Redneck, you've spent the last 5 days replying back and forth to myself and this thread. Carry on ya know? I'm not holding you hostage here. We both know this.
Qualified in what area? You do realize we have researchers, medical experts, and all manner of professionals posting on ATS?
I could make Dr. Anthony Fauci look like a fool in an electronics research lab; I'm much more qualified than he is in that field.
Though AAPS often takes positions that are associated with conservative groups, it sometimes goes even further, pushing fringe views that most mainstream conservatives do not endorse, such as the belief that mandatory vaccination is “equivalent to human experimentation” and that Medicare is “evil.” Over the years, the group seems to have coalesced around an ethos of radical self-determination and a belief that mainstream science isn’t always trustworthy. It’s the most curious of medical organizations: a doctors’ interest group that seems more invested in the interests of doctors, rather than public health.
Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results with a small group of patients, but he also warns that it's still experimental, not widely-tested and much caution must still be used.
scientists argue that relying on observational, uncontrolled evidence can be misleading and that the only way to truly prove a drug is working is through carefully controlled clinical trials. And, contrary to Armstrong's assertion that hydroxychloroquine "has virtually no side effects," it is known to have serious negative health impacts. That is why so many in the medical community worry about prescribing it without such proof.
Among them is Katherine Seley-Radtke, who is a medicinal chemist at The University of Maryland, Baltimore County. She specializes in antiviral drug research, including coronaviruses.
"This is really disconcerting," Seley-Radtke told NPR.
A clinical trial to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has been stopped by the National Institutes of Health. A data and safety monitoring board (DSMB) met late Friday and determined that while there was no harm, the study drug was very unlikely to be beneficial to hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
So overall we have one positive report (very positive indeed, and an outlier in that respect) and two safety warnings. Make of this what you will. We have more controlled trial data coming, and the arguing can re-commence when it hits.
Oh really? People more qualified than Dr Anthony Stephen Fauci, an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984? The one senior lead on Trump's very own Coronavirus task force?
Who's this medical expert you speak of on ATS?
originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: TheRedneck
Oh really? People more qualified than Dr Anthony Stephen Fauci, an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984? The one senior lead on Trump's very own Coronavirus task force? ...
So now you claim Dr. Fauci is always correct and is above reproach. The exact opposite of what you were insinuating earlier.
I especially like how you keep pointing out that results are "inconclusive"
That means that there will be no treatment for the Kung Flu that does not carry an official warning
No, let's be adults again and place our cards on the table for all to see: I want to see a safe, effective treatment for this damn virus. I want the lockdowns to go away; I want to be able to go to town without worrying about being mugged by an angry mob because I am medically unable to wear a face mask. I want my friends who have legitimate reasons to be scared of this thing to not be scared any more. I want local stores to be able to open up again.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
On another note, it ends up not mattering what a person like Fauci is qualified for when they are caught lying. Being deceptive, misrepresentation and other forms of deception.
Some people are very good at knowing when a lie is being told. Many others are not.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
...keep people off ventilators, AND THAT IS THE KEY...You go on a ventilator and you are basically dead...
Martin Scholz * , Roland Derwand , Vladimir Zelenko
... 141 patients (median age 58 years, IQR 40-67; 73% male) got a prescription for the triple therapy for 5 days. Independent public reference data from 377 confirmed COVID-19 patients of the same community were used as untreated control. 4 of 141 treated patients (2.8%) were hospitalized, which was significantly less (p < 0.001) compared with 58 of 377 untreated patients (15.4%) (odds ratio 0.16, 95% CI 0.06-0.5). Therefore, the odds of hospitalization of treated patients were 84% less than in the untreated group. One patient (0.7%) died in the treatment group versus 13 patients (3.5%) in the untreated group (odds ratio 0.2, 95% CI 0.03-1.5; p=0.16). There were no cardiac side effects. Conclusions: Risk stratification-based treatment of COVID-19 outpatients as early as possible after symptom onset with the used triple therapy, including the combination of zinc with low dose hydroxychloroquine, was associated with significantly less hospitalizations and 5 times less all-cause deaths.
LAHORE: The preliminary results of the country’s largest drug trial on the coronavirus — Pakistan Randomized and Observational Trial to Evaluate Coronavirus Treatment (PROTECT) — has not only established the safety of hydroxychloroquine, a drug generally used for malaria, in terms of mortality but has also shown significant recovery rates in Covid-19 patients when used in combination with two other drugs- azithromycin and oseltamivir.
In this multicenter study of patients admitted with COVID-19 hydroxychloroquine and
prednisone administration was found to be associated with improved outcomes.
My fundamental problem with your arguments here is that you're seeking to validate your engrained beliefs that this drug will work, as opposed to seeking the facts behind it.
I didn't claim any of this. Made it pretty clear that he's just as human as the rest of us. Something you can't seem to wrap your head around for some reason.
These are facts. You can't point to research in it's early phases and proclaim proof of something working when we haven't allowed the appropriate time and elements to take place. You don't have to be a doctor to know this.
Why do you feel the need to call it Kung Flu virus?
Me too. I have chronic asthma. This is definately a concern and I want to see it go away too Redneck. But if we are to see any success, we need to ensure we're taking the appropriate actions and working together. My concern about those pushing hydroxi for example, it creates a false hope for people who are eager to jump back into some normality.
I am seeking to validate my engrained hope that this drug will work, based on the facts behind it.
I performed scientific experiments for a living;
I do not implicitly trust that everything he says is factually accurate.
And no, one need not be a doctor to know this.
Because it came from Wuhan, China; also because the Chinese government has tried to claim it did not. I have also called it the "WuFlu" (based on the source being Wuhan), but that seemed to fly over people's heads.
Hence your need to get your sources from partisan fronts and the odd local doctor.
We have the nation's top medical professionals and the world's leading medical experts, completed studies, firm about the ineffectiveness of this drug. But you feel the need to ignore.
I'm an amatuer astronomer Redneck. I built my own telescope and I've run a small blog (it's a few years outdated now) about my experiences, findings. I know a lot more than the average person when it comes to this, but I still humble myself when I'm wrong about something. We can't know everything and anything.
Of course you don't have to trust everything he says implicitly. With that said, many of his comments and views, including those on hydroxi, can be consistently matched by the research and consensus of the medical community out there. He's just another piece to this.
When I'm sick and I'm uncertain of what to do or what to take, I go see a doctor. Simple. I don't go onto WebMD or whatever else there is on google because I understand that I'm incapable of getting the nuances, subtleties, histories behind certain treatments, symptoms.
I'm trying to have a serious debate about whether or not this drug is really an effective treatment against COVID19, putting aside the politics and the rhetoric we're getting out there by the politicians and the establishment.
You however feel the need to parrot what the president said as part of your arguments.