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Hydroxychloroquine Still Doesn’t Do Anything, New Data Shows

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posted on Jul, 16 2020 @ 11:40 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Since HCQ not a dangerous medication, can't hurt to give it a try. "Right to Try".


How do you know it is not dangerous, it barely has 90 years of continuous use around the world.




posted on Jul, 16 2020 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
But Pheonix, if the drug is not effective, or in some cases proven harmful, why promote it? The price is irrelevent at this point. You're giving people false hope at this point, and unprofessional advice. It could be damaging.


There is like 27 vaccines in clinical studies along with new very effective directions of dealing with viruses. Like HIV that catapulted our understanding of the immune system to unprecedented heights in understanding, COVID-19 will do the same for viruses and that is a really good thing for when that big one comes along.

Hydroxychloroquine is old news now....get over it whether it helps some or not.



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 12:17 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero


Hydroxychloroquine is old news now....get over it


Unfortunately, a lot of people on here can't seem to.



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
There have been a number of promising treatments against COVID19 so it's any wonder why people are still hung up on Hydroxychloroquine?

Since when has science gotten in the way of partisan cheerleading?

Trump could have told them eating toothpaste was the best bet and you would have people dying on the hill demanding toothpaste is the best option.



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: pheonix358

Why are you so invested in Hydroxychloroquine when there are so many other promising trials? Is it because Trump promoted it?



35c per serve! Everyone can afford it which is why Big Pharma hates it.

P

Yeah, but aspirin is cheaper than that also...so why not just take that
or ice cubes...those things are all but free. eat ice cubes if you are looking for a cheap ineffective way to stave off covid.



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 01:07 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Why was there a fake news story that flat out lied about people
drinking fish tank cleaner to demonize a drug approved for use
a half century ago?

Because all the media, all the extreme left socialists, even people
like OP are counting on this virus to ruin Trump by Nov. Even if it
ruins lives and the economy of the whole country.

There is just no reason to hate the President so much. None!



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 01:42 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
For every study saying Hydroxychloroquine is Not-Effective against Covid-19, there is a study saying that it is Effective.

Since HCQ not a dangerous medication, can't hurt to give it a try. "Right to Try".




I look forward to the "right to try" alright but try the Humanitarian Terrorists who are putting forth the bastardized weaponized illegitimate data....in a Court of Law..no excuses.....no cover-storys one of these 2 sides is telling overt lies.....there is zero middle ground....those who are lieing and those who SUPPORT THOSE LIES must be remediated .



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 03:36 AM
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I love the fact that this drug works and Trump was right - and the response from the left is to keep producing propaganda that it doesn't work (instead of actually celebrating that some lives can be saved). They just can't take that Trump educated them again.



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 08:39 AM
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It really irritated me the first time I heard someone say that they "Didn't believe anything they hear, and only half of what they see." That was when I was in middle or high school and never heard that used before, a sub teacher I disliked said that.
I may have thought that guy was a weird-o jerk of a teacher, but I have come to believe the wisdom of those words in regards to what is made public in the news reports today.

It's come to a point where I can't believe any source of information as there is always an opposing one that sounds just as good as the first one. Also, what is actually seen or experienced can be altered by our past experiences, personal perspectives and memory, so maybe I can believe half of what I see, I guess. Also, my experiences, without any evidence, gets categorized as anecdotal and disregarded even in causal conversations.

So what can one really believe anyway when our senses lie and our minds fill in the blanks with pattern recognition and conjecture? It seems that even with the accepted sources of "real" information there is no solid ground to stand on, just the quick sand of information overload.
edit on 17-7-2020 by MichiganSwampBuck because: For Clarity



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 09:05 AM
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First time I heard about Hydroxychloroquine was from a Medical group in France....



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Ive found that pretty much everything released this year is suspect.

That said, being able to look into methodology, case reports, and past research can give a great glimpse into things. Nowadays, it seems many are "headline readers" only.

Zinc ionophore+Zinc is, imo, groundbreaking stuff in the treatment of many viruses. However, most are focused solely on HCQ.

Yet, when we look at the "studies" released this year.. We see aspects that are designed to fail from the outset. While a zinc ionophore+Zinc may be extremely effective as an antiviral, its still an antiviral. Preventing replication doesnt do much if it has already replicated past a certain threshold.

Yet, our entire paradigm in treating this seems to be "wait until it gets bad." The "studies" not only follow this paradigm, they frequently omit Zinc, and some even have dosages as high as >2g of HCQ (pretty much lethal..).

We have plenty of treatments at this point, with plenty of research and case reports. If we understand that a lot of this is to push vaccines, it begins to make a lot more sense. Limited to no liability, particularly if they get the extra protections people like Gates are looking for, and if its mandated by the State.. well.. thats quite the captive market. A bit of virus interference here and there, a bit of genetic modification, and you can create a total dependency on your products whether the public wants it or not..



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

There is a recent peer reviewed paper that disputes your position.

But that’s not my point .

With your predisposed opinion that Hydroxychloroquine is useless because the orange man is mean . You’ve completely missed my point and followed a narrative of deception the main stream media has pressed upon the emotional and gullible ., The way the information is being presented do you is slanted. This is from the review of the paper from which you’re basing your findings .



‘These data convincingly rule out any meaningful mortality benefit of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised with COVID-19. Full results will be made available as soon as possible.
Peter Horby,
said: ‘Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have received a lot of attention and have been used very
widely to treat COVID patients despite the absence of any good evidence. The RECOVERY trial has shown that hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment in patients hospitalised with COVID- 19. Although it is disappointing that this treatment has been shown to be ineffective, it does allow us to focus care and research on more promising drugs.’
Martin Landray,
said ‘There has been huge speculation and uncertainty about the role of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, but an absence of reliable information from large randomised trials. Today’s preliminary results from the RECOVERY trial are quite clear – hydroxychloroquine does not reduce the risk of death
among hospitalised patients with this new disease.
This result should change medical practice worldwide and demonstrates the importance of large, randomised trials to inform decisions about both the efficacy and the safety of treatments.’


The parts of that quote in bold although still in some dispute I wholeheartedly agree with . It does not appear that effective in the recovery of people critically HOSPITALIZED.

Which is the point I made in my post. It doesn’t look like it helps people on ventilators in severe stress gasping for oxygen with their last breath‘s .

But studies do indicate that it retards the progression from mild to a critical state of infection if administered early enough . The slanted biased misleading article you quote only looks at the end game under the worst circumstances .



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: Southern Guardian

There is a recent peer reviewed paper that disputes your position.

But that’s not my point .

With your predisposed opinion that Hydroxychloroquine is useless because the orange man is mean . You’ve completely missed my point and followed a narrative of deception the main stream media has pressed upon the emotional and gullible ., The way the information is being presented do you is slanted. This is from the review of the paper from which you’re basing your findings .



‘These data convincingly rule out any meaningful mortality benefit of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised with COVID-19. Full results will be made available as soon as possible.
Peter Horby,
said: ‘Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have received a lot of attention and have been used very
widely to treat COVID patients despite the absence of any good evidence. The RECOVERY trial has shown that hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment in patients hospitalised with COVID- 19. Although it is disappointing that this treatment has been shown to be ineffective, it does allow us to focus care and research on more promising drugs.’
Martin Landray,
said ‘There has been huge speculation and uncertainty about the role of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, but an absence of reliable information from large randomised trials. Today’s preliminary results from the RECOVERY trial are quite clear – hydroxychloroquine does not reduce the risk of death
among hospitalised patients with this new disease.
This result should change medical practice worldwide and demonstrates the importance of large, randomised trials to inform decisions about both the efficacy and the safety of treatments.’


The parts of that quote in bold although still in some dispute I wholeheartedly agree with . It does not appear that effective in the recovery of people critically HOSPITALIZED.

Which is the point I made in my post. It doesn’t look like it helps people on ventilators in severe stress gasping for oxygen with their last breath‘s .

But studies do indicate that it retards the progression from mild to a critical state of infection if administered early enough . The slanted biased misleading article you quote only looks at the end game under the worst circumstances .



You will never ever get through to him.
Right now he is so upset that Trump was correct that he'll cling on to anything to ease his pain.



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posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

What’s that saying ?

You can’t use logic to logic someone out of a position that they didn’t use logic to come up with in the first place .

i’m at the point where I can’t help but laugh at someone who can’t admit the truth when it’s looking them in the face . Especially when everyone else including the person you’re addressing knows the correct answer .

Because to be honest they would have to admit Trump was right about something no matter how little . Which is completely unacceptable because their petty personal hatred has hijacked any character they may have possessed .


My current favorite question is . “ was trump right about COVID-19 when he said most people will only get the “flu “ < figuratively .

It’s such a small meaningless comparison that it shouldn’t be any big deal to just say “yes“. But many people would rather have the tongue ripped out with a pair of vise grip’s before giving Trump the nod on anything .

Over 95% of cases are mild which means most people catch the mild version a.k.a. “Flu”. So it’s plain as day he was right. But the mocking narrative from the media including that statement being labeled as a “Lie” by the Washington post . ( because it’s not actually a flu ) so far only a small handful of liberals I know will admit it .

The others standard deflection is to argue the meaning of the word “flu” knowing damn good and well it wasn’t meant literally .

But I still ask the question because anyone else reading the exchange knows who’s being childishly led by their emotions and will take that into account in any future discussions with that individual .

If you know you’re talking to someone incapable of honesty. It sticks with them and taints anything else they have to say whether truthful or not .

It’s sad to watch someone discredit their selves in future conversations because of lack of maturity .

Most humor springs from pain hence the reason for my amusement .

After all I’m not going to cry for someone who has sold their soul to a false ideology .

I have several HONEST liberal friends .

If you run across any hold on to them dearly .

Because they are the only hope of advancing any narrative between the right and left .



* Note it’s a two-way street there are many people on the right in the same boat .



posted on Jul, 17 2020 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: Serdgiam

Confusion will be the epitaph of 2020.

The only thing that makes sense: is that nothing is supposed to make sense.

If we are dealing with a Hegelian Dialectic, ( problem-reaction-solution ): it then becomes understandable why us wallowing in the reaction phase, makes no sense.

HQ is just a roadside distraction, to steamroll, past, or over, or whatever, who cares ?

We can see the solution coming down the tracks, like a charging locomotive: but the vast majority are rejecting what they are telling us what their intention is.
We don't want to believe that the one world government is installed, making decisions, and implementing it's agendas.
We're all in bloody denial !

ID2020 is one of the main agendas, and who amongst us wants to believe that the solution to the WuWuFlu™, is an integrated health/vaccine card, personal finances, and ID card.

We laugh at it: crazy crackpot conspiracy theorists !!!

Well: here it is: "The Gavi-Mastercard Wellness Pass. ". ( Watch from the start. )




posted on Jul, 18 2020 @ 12:48 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown


There is a recent peer reviewed paper that disputes your position.


Where's the source?



posted on Jul, 18 2020 @ 01:10 AM
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Think this is one , only one i can find, www.henryford.com...



posted on Jul, 18 2020 @ 01:26 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian


There have been a number of promising treatments against COVID19 so it's any wonder why people are still hung up on Hydroxychloroquine?

Simple, really. Hydroxychloroquine is already available, fairly inexpensive, and every pharmaceutical/Trump hater/WuFlu proponent across the globe is trying desperately to demonize it.

Your study is BS. The actual treatment uses hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc. An actual study would have included four sets of patients: those taking placebo for baseline, those taking only recommended levels of hydroxychloroquine, those taking only zinc, and those taking both zinc and hydroxychloroquine. It would have included direct examinations of all patients used prior to beginning the test to determine actual overall health conditions to help isolate any anomalous results. All patients would then be monitored to ensure that they took the medicine(s) as prescribed. None of that was apparently done, and furthermore, no study worth its salt would be published along with a recommendation prior to peer review. This was simply an attempt to discredit hydroxychloroquine.

If your purpose is to convince people that hydroxychloroquine treatment is inappropriate, then I have to ask: why is it so important to discredit hydroxychloroquine? Is discrediting it more important to you than any potential lives that might be saved?

I think those questions are more appropriate.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 18 2020 @ 01:34 AM
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This one Southern Guardian www.henryford.com... clearly used when people are hospitalised , but i,ve seen lots of other studies that show greater results when the treatment is used when people become symptomatic and before getting so ill that they are admitted to hospital



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