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Repeat After Me: The Markets Are Not the Economy

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posted on Jul, 14 2020 @ 10:51 PM

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Southern Guardian

Welfarism and socialism are not the same things.

Walfarism cannot exist without fuel from the market economy.

Socialism is just a takeover. Socialism isn't a list of government services erected on an edifice of market forces. It is a usurpation of economic activity by men who fancy themselves gods capable of controlling macro and microeconomic factors by central fiat. It is the control of the means of production, often that is the human being.

Don't get socialism confused with the fruits of market economics.

The problem in the USA is most of our socialism is socialism for the rich.
The Top Lobbying Industries in America are also the industries with the most handouts.
Medical Care and the Insurance Industry.

What do you think the Healthcare and Insurance Industry would say if we shutdown all the medical programs funded by the government that make up 80% of entitlement spending?

posted on Jul, 14 2020 @ 10:56 PM

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: Southern Guardian

Well the market is going to crash,soon and very hard.I have
zero charts to post to back up my gut feeling.
I also believe we are living in the end times and things will
get a lot worse.
I voted for Trump in 2016 and I will be voting for him again
this year.I pray the other side doesn't steal the election with
their insistence of mail-in votes because of the plannedemic.

The problem is the government keeps tossing trillion dollars checks to wall street and will not stop.
We need to bring in a president that will cut the welfare train to the financial markets and tell them they are on their own.

posted on Jul, 14 2020 @ 11:34 PM
a reply to: jacobe001

As long as a country can produce and deliver enough food, the rest of the population can stay home watchin TV on welfare all day, the reality is a vast majority do that already. That's what happens when you can print money in a developed society, The problem comes when some one says " Hey were not paying those Bums to watch TV all day" and then they come onto the streets angry because some one stopped the welfare payments. Even though the rich corporations are getting massive handouts that dwarf anything going to the TV watcher. Its more a philosophical and moral thing.

posted on Jul, 15 2020 @ 03:51 AM
a reply to: jacobe001

The payments to the healthcare industry are in exchange for services rendered. If I need healthcare, I go into the doctor/hospital and Medicare pays them for the care I needed. Now, one can say that's a payment to those already rich, but it is a payment for me, on my behalf. I'm not sure how else you would do it?

In every society, there are going to be people who do better than others. Some because of natural talents, some because they work hard/smart, some because of just plain dumb luck. Nothing will ever change that. If Sam Walton had not started Walmart, someone else would have. The Sam Waltons are not the problem, and all you'll do by trying to punish them for being successful is make life harder on everyone else: higher prices, less jobs, worse jobs, less convenience.

The real source of problems is in the government. It's popular to blame the oil companies for the high price of gas, for instance, but that ignores the real source of the high prices. Gasoline fluctuates in cost, and when it goes lower local governments raise the tax rate on fuel. No one complains because hey, gas is down! When the cost goes back up, everyone complains because gas is suddenly expensive again, but they complain about the oil companies. The oil companies aren't making any more than they were when gas was down... the government is, and the government gets a free pass because they need to tax those mean ol' oil companies out of existence for charging so much!

In the meantime, what has the government done for that tax money? Not a damn thing except outsmart most of the people. At least the oil companies produce something.


posted on Jul, 16 2020 @ 02:56 PM

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Southern Guardian

They aren't the economy, they are an INDICATOR of the state of the economy.

But hey, let's just post some emotionally charged next level bull# to stir up the pot, right?

They aren't indicator of the state of the economy. They are indicator of the elite's confidence in the economy.

Cash or land or gilt or equities. If the currency is depressed and interest rates are low, equities.

But hey, why start learning about economics now.

posted on Jul, 16 2020 @ 02:57 PM
a reply to: jacobe001

Ain't going to happen as long as you have a choice between a right wing party and centrist party.

They'll both bend over and beg for the elites and their big money.

posted on Jul, 16 2020 @ 03:39 PM
a reply to: jacobe001

The government in healthcare has been the principle driver of inflation in that sector of the economy.

Since the Managed Care system was created during the Johnson administration the cost of healthcare has only increase outpacing inflation in the rest of the economy by massive margins. Corporations cannot do that on their own. You need a government to do that.

Need another example? Higher Education costs. Since the government guarantees every student load written in the US the cost of tuition has skyrocketed. Now those cushy admin jobs and tenured woke professors have a guaranteed get-rich-quick pipeline and your kids just have crushing debt and the taxpayer...You again...You pay for that loan when it defaults like 40% of student loans will in 2023.

We have a fascism problem and papering it over with socialism isn't a smart idea. That's how you get Nazis..Real ones.

edit on 7 16 2020 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

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