BREAKING: US Rejects All Major China Claims in South China Sea .

a reply to: Jay-morris

You want to blame us 100% for Iraq and Afganistan sure thing its on us, Libya yes we were a part of it but we were not the leaders on the death and destruction and we were not the primary reason for the failures since thats europe everyone defaults to the US being the root of all evil but its just not true.

We had Intel we shared it (bad intel driven by corrupt people) but NATO handled the heavy load of breaking libya, we provided bullets, bombs and beans.

a reply to: Irishhaf

You want to blame us 100% for Iraq and Afganistan sure thing its on us,

Not at all. Even my own government had a hand in that, and should be punished too for war crimes too.

Libya yes we were a part of it but we were not the leaders on the death and destruction and we were not the primary reason for the failures since thats europe everyone defaults to the US being the root of all evil but its just not true.

Did you not read Hilary Clinton's emails regarding Libya? I am not saying it was just America, but their government had a huge part and influence in that invasion.

We had Intel we shared it (bad intel driven by corrupt people) but NATO handled the heavy load of breaking libya, we provided bullets, bombs and beans.

Obviously you did not read my link, if you did, there is no way to refute what I am saying.

This basically proves my point, and it's something I have been saying for a long time. Most people eill ignore the horrors their own government does, while pointing their fingers at other countries and how evil they are.

Bow do you think governments get away with it?

bro wth didn't we JUST get an advisory saying they're planning an EMP? Why would we pressure

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originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Irishhaf

You want to blame us 100% for Iraq and Afganistan sure thing its on us,

Not at all. Even my own government had a hand in that, and should be punished too for war crimes too.

You are a traitor to the United Kingdom and the western democratic world. You don't play on side. TRAITOR

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Irishhaf

You want to blame us 100% for Iraq and Afganistan sure thing its on us,

Not at all. Even my own government had a hand in that, and should be punished too for war crimes too.

You are a traitor to the United Kingdom and the western democratic world. You don't play on side. TRAITOR

Oh I am a traitor because I do not agree with ilegal wars and not brainwashed and conditioned by these sociopaths. Ok then, I am a traitor and proud of it!

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Irishhaf

You want to blame us 100% for Iraq and Afganistan sure thing its on us,

Not at all. Even my own government had a hand in that, and should be punished too for war crimes too.

You are a traitor to the United Kingdom and the western democratic world. You don't play on side. TRAITOR

Oh I am a traitor because I do not agree with ilegal wars and not brainwashed and conditioned by these sociopaths. Ok then, I am a traitor and proud of it!

Exactly a TRAITOR of the worst kind for defining those wars as illegal................ Why don't you eff off with ISIS and the rest of your ilk to the ME

Please tell me how the Libya and Iraq invasion were justified?

Why was Libya invaded?

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But thats China's "Ancestral Land/Water/Sky"


Why don't American's consider the Chinese Communist Party's feerings?

a reply to: [post]Jay-morris[/post]

Here is the ATS appeasement CiC. Bury your head in the sand sunshine, adults are discussing real issues, is your answer to ignore China’s aggression, because they are threatening their neighbours who are asking the world for help?

Is your suggestion we ignore them?

a reply to: Forensick

Here is the ATS appeasement CiC. Bury your head in the sand sunshine, adults are discussing real issues, is your answer to ignore China’s aggression, because they are threatening their neighbours who are asking the world for help?

Is your suggestion we ignore them?

Please read what I am saying here!

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Irishhaf

You want to blame us 100% for Iraq and Afganistan sure thing its on us,

Not at all. Even my own government had a hand in that, and should be punished too for war crimes too.

Libya yes we were a part of it but we were not the leaders on the death and destruction and we were not the primary reason for the failures since thats europe everyone defaults to the US being the root of all evil but its just not true.

Did you not read Hilary Clinton's emails regarding Libya? I am not saying it was just America, but their government had a huge part and influence in that invasion.

We had Intel we shared it (bad intel driven by corrupt people) but NATO handled the heavy load of breaking libya, we provided bullets, bombs and beans.

Obviously you did not read my link, if you did, there is no way to refute what I am saying.

This basically proves my point, and it's something I have been saying for a long time. Most people eill ignore the horrors their own government does, while pointing their fingers at other countries and how evil they are.

Bow do you think governments get away with it?

Quite simple really. Obama was a warmonger who was given a Nobel Peace Prize.

Quite funny how people still idolize him as if he didn't have a massive amount of blood on his hands.

originally posted by: CraftyArrow
I'm ok with war against China, this year they have proven to be a danger to the human species.

I remember arguing with people here and other forums, years ago on our trade with China.
They defended it as "Free Market Capitalism" and its just to bad if the poor in our country suffer from it.

The major beneficiaries of our trade with China were businessmen, investors and wall street.
The ones hurt from it were the poor and lower class that had their jobs shipped to China.

A war with China will consist of many lower class Americans in the military paying the price, once again.

If there is ever a war with China, we need to demand that the business class, wall street and many investors should be on the front lines to take the first bullet.

originally posted by: Psilocyborg
If you believe war with China is necessary, put your $ where your mouth is and sign up your children to go die in a war to protect "our interests".

Exactly.
The only reason our military is even over there is protect the interests of wall street and the business class in their trade with slave labor nations. Let the business class and and rich investors send their kids to go die fighting China.

Why should anyone else's kids die for these rich assholes?

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: CraftyArrow
I'm ok with war against China, this year they have proven to be a danger to the human species.

I remember arguing with people here and other forums, years ago on our trade with China.
They defended it as "Free Market Capitalism" and its just to bad if the poor in our country suffer from it.

The major beneficiaries of our trade with China were businessmen, investors and wall street.
The ones hurt from it were the poor and lower class that had their jobs shipped to China.

A war with China will consist of many lower class Americans in the military paying the price, once again.

If there is ever a war with China, we need to demand that the business class, wall street and many investors should be on the front lines to take the first bullet.

Never going to happen. Every person who goes into war, their governments do not give a crap about them. They do not care if they live or die. Yes, they fill our minds with patriotic BS on why we are going to war, but in most cases, there is always another agenda. Mostly to do with money. But the people who go to war, they do not come back better or richer, but the power hungry peoe who back the war, certainly will.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Psilocyborg
If you believe war with China is necessary, put your $ where your mouth is and sign up your children to go die in a war to protect "our interests".

I don't think the military takes children, so no way to sign them up, I think that is China... Just saying

Send the politicians, business men, and wall street investors off spring to go fight it.
The rich in this country are the true socialists. They want other peoples offspring to go fight their wars.
Have some skin in the game and go take a bullet.

a reply to: Xtrozero

We need to make it so the rich are the only ones fighting the wars since they are the major beneficiaries and get all the perks from it.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: Spacespider
Why is USA playing world police again ?
For the sake of the world please do not put China up in a corner, it will end badly for all of us.

I am from England but I have to pull you up on that, letting China get away with all it want's is what will end badly for all of us, curtailing them NOW is the only way to ensure peace before they become TOO powerful to stop, that mean's the US has to reclaim it's title as the world's pre-eminent super power and world policeman even if that step's on some peoples toes, (Merkal etc) since other's think that is for them in the future especially those with grand ambitions.

The US NEEDS to consider more before deploying troop's just so some arms company can boost it's sales BUT it is a necessary stabilizing influence in the world so long as it does not then abuse it's power (something that can be levelled very squarely at the CIA in the past for it's many more than questionable behaviours that did not actually benefit the US - this is not a critique of the service itself or it's agent's many of whom are good men and woman - though of course not all like any force in the world - but of some past members and there questionable judgement and leadership).

This is a necessary action since China is growing ever more belligerent and aggressive, the US is the GOOD GUY almost always, that is not a fallacy despite anti US sentiment in the world, they always have anger toward the greatest power regardless of whom it is or if they are good or bad because it is always convenient to have someone to magnify yourself against.

China is currently out of hand, picking fight's with India, expanding into the south China sea and destroying corral reef fisheries causing a major food source to die because they wanted to build a base on an area of the sea that they did not own and they are also thinking that they are more powerful than they really are showing that they are poor student's of Tsun Tsu at best.

Who is to blame for them becoming all to powerful?
Who moved factory infrastructure, technology and trained them to become more powerful?
Greedy people did.

"Im not going to pay an American worker 7 bucks an hour when I can have a worker under Communism make my widgets who is making 7 bucks a day"
We have heard this for years and years.