BREAKING: US Rejects All Major China Claims in South China Sea .

99% of the population are good people who work hard who have no evil intentions towards other countries until they feel they are being attacked. It's the 1% sociopaths who never have to deal with the consequences of war.

I starting to think both China and the US just skipped the step of declaring war because it's now not needed. They needed to in the past because people fired the weapons.

Now it's biological, technical, social and weather. These things don't required a large number of people.

Why would either party want to let the general population know there's a war going on?

I think we are ALREADY in World War 3 but it just hasn't been announced.

originally posted by: Flesh699
I was a youngin and didn't understand 9/11 and why we got involved in the middle east, then I grew up a bit and opposed our policing.

But now, china is a legitimate threat and infiltrated our universities and stole our tech for years.

This is a war I'll get behind and one I'll sign up to fight. They've screwed my childrens' future and their communistic universities would've rot my childrens' brains.

Let's Go! After that, we go and take back the White House from the traitors that enabled the whole thing since JFK.

I remember back in the early 90s when millions protested against trade with China.
The business community, chamber of commerce, and bankers ran a propaganda campaign to demonize the protesters as business hating commies against free market capitalism.

They paid off the police to crack some skulls and shut the protests down.

The rest is history.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Spacespider
Why is USA playing world police again ?
For the sake of the world please do not put China up in a corner, it will end badly for all of us.

errrrrrrrrrrrrrr....................... it will if the West don't stamp on the Commies like they did with the Soviet Union before it's too late.

What's wrong with taking out the Chinese before they take over the world? Hitler, Stalin, they all got the same treatmet.................... Plus we get our western cities buzzing again by STARTING TO MANUFACTURE THINGS again instead of getting Asian wage slaves to do it for us and their slave masters in th CCP

Nope, those manufacturers are not coming back. The greedy business men are pushing for this war to begin with because China is a threat to the safe passage of ships to other slave labor countries.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Smarties
a reply to: Smarties

The United States champions a free and open Indo-Pacific. Today we are strengthening U.S. policy in a vital, contentious part of that region — the South China Sea. We are making clear: Beijing’s claims to offshore resources across most of the South China Sea are completely unlawful, as is its campaign of bullying to control them.

www.state.gov...

Seriously? It's about control and power. You think China went into Tibeat to free the people? You think America went into, or were involved in the invasion of Iraq, Libya and Yemen, or the people?

It's all BS!

The only reason we are in 300 countries around the world is to protect the wealthy global capitalists. That is the bottom line.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
China has become a cancer on the world.
The way they treat the environment
The way they destroy nature
Their dishonest practices and theft of IP
Their treatnent of India, Nepal, Urghurs..
They are trying to take over large areas of water that belong to other nations
Their polluting ways and shotty industrial safety practices..

China needs to seriously reconsider the path it is on because the world will not stand by any more.

join the civilised world or risk war...

The human rights abuses and crimes never went away in China.
When wall street and big business was making money hand over fist, the corporate media was silent on these abuses and instead cheered how they are our favorite trading partner.

So, now like a used rag, the rich business man has had their fill and we are supposed to switch gears because they say so?
I dont think so.

originally posted by: av8r007
a reply to: Jay-morris

Jay your bias toward your wife's nation (yes I remember from another thread your defense of China because of her) is bordering on treasonous, maybe you and your wife should return to mainland China so you can stand for the country your allegiance is to. America will not stand for this threat upon our existence any longer. They have damaged our nation on levels that cannot be calculated and it was all preventable. They did this to us on purpose, the time for soft words is over and it's time for men of action to stand tall.

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

It's time to stand for your country Jay, as well as your wife, either she is American or she is not.

How about the allegiance of global capitalists that sell this country out to fatten their wallets? Dont you think they should be charged with treason and shot?

a reply to: jacobe001

The only reason we are in 300 countries around the world is to protect the wealthy global capitalists. That is the bottom line.

My problem is this. We all know that the Chinese Government has done, and still do bad things. But us in the West cometly ignore the horrible things we have done, as if it's ok because it's the West.

It proves what I have been saying, and that is we are brainwashed by patrioism, which means governments can get away with pretty much anything they want, while pointing fingers at other countries.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Jay-morris
So the wealthy are not in power in other countries? It's just China right? There are no wealthy and powerful people that dictate what goes on in your or my country. Is that what you are saying?

China is a very egregious example of the wealthy being the ruling party. The CCP is comprised mostly of very rich people who became enriched by being in the party and wish to remain enriched.

Sounds like our country.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Jay-morris
It's the same all over the world, communists or not!

It's worse in places like China where the accountability to the people and the forced participation in the Party are not what we have in the West.

The red and blue team is no better in the USA.
We get propaganda that we need to vote for either one or it is a wasted vote.

The red and blue team in America are criminal organizations.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Jay-morris

War? I don't want war son any more than the next person, just China needs restraining just like Adolf and Stain were as they are on a mission to challenge the West and it's sphere of democratic, economic and military influence. USA is our ally long term we share everything with them and you would be speaking German or much more likely Russian without their saving us all from evil. You are a traitor to the English speaking democratic world if you can't get onside

Its funny you should bring up Hitler, our country had a huge presence in Hitlers Germany before war 2, sort of like China.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Jay-morris

War? I don't want war son any more than the next person, just China needs restraining just like Adolf and Stain were as they are on a mission to challenge the West and it's sphere of democratic, economic and military influence. USA is our ally long term we share everything with them and you would be speaking German or much more likely Russian without their saving us all from evil. You are a traitor to the English speaking democratic world if you can't get onside

Its funny you should bring up Hitler, our country had a huge presence in Hitlers Germany before war 2, sort of like China.

ufoorbhunter also said we should nuke China!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Rolicia
Kinda like in the US then, with the only difference being that in the US the politicians are bought and payed for by the wealthy ruling elite..

It's not nearly as bad here as in China where both the politicians and the executives are required to be in the Party.

There is only one party in the US as well. Backed by Wall Street.
When protesters in 2008 stormed wall street to stop the bail outs and jail the bankers, Obama gave the finger to the potesters and bailed out the bankers. Both parties are on the banksters payroll.

You will not get anywhere near Washington DC without their approval.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: poncho1982

So, let China get away with whatever it wants then?

Better learn the Chinese national anthem then.

Well, who stopped the American Government when it came to Iraq and Libya, and are they paying for what is happening in Yemen? Have any of the people involved faced justice? Nope, they have not, but that's ok, because it was the West who cone those terrible things, so it does not count.

All these people on here (And there is alot) who are getting excited about a war with China. Why? Maybe they play too much call of duty , or watch too many war films. Maybe they think their militery is so great that a war in China would not effect them, so they can sit in the comfort of their homes with a box of popcorn watching it happen.

Do they care about the potential lives lost? Nah, because they don't know them, they are not real. They do not have to look at the dead bodies of innocent men, women and Children, because they do not exist.

The problem here is governments always use propaganda to turn their people against another nation, because then it will be ok to go to war with that nation, no questions asked. But they also brainwash their people to turn a blind eye to the horrors they have done.

We see this in every nation. People are easily brainwashed and conditioned. Mainly through patrioism for your country.

Remember how the Nazis turned their nation against the Jews? It was not hard for them to do, and something lime that is easily done.

People just never learn!

You bring up some good points.
The same crowd that demonized the riots, looters, breaking stuff and violence (rightly so however) are supporting violence, breaking stuff, looting and killing to get what they want.

The military is the version of it din do nuttin, they just trying to spread love and cheer and be a good boy.

a reply to: jacobe001

You bring up some good points.
The same crowd that demonized the riots, looters, breaking stuff and violence (rightly so however) are supporting violence, breaking stuff, looting and killing to get what they want.

The military is the version of it din do nuttin, they just trying to spread love and cheer and be a good boy.

Yeah but if you go up against the American government, that means you hate America full stop according to extreme patriots on here

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: CraftyArrow
I'm ok with war against China, this year they have proven to be a danger to the human species.

I remember arguing with people here and other forums, years ago on our trade with China.
They defended it as "Free Market Capitalism" and its just to bad if the poor in our country suffer from it.

The major beneficiaries of our trade with China were businessmen, investors and wall street.
The ones hurt from it were the poor and lower class that had their jobs shipped to China.

A war with China will consist of many lower class Americans in the military paying the price, once again.

If there is ever a war with China, we need to demand that the business class, wall street and many investors should be on the front lines to take the first bullet.

Never going to happen. Every person who goes into war, their governments do not give a crap about them. They do not care if they live or die. Yes, they fill our minds with patriotic BS on why we are going to war, but in most cases, there is always another agenda. Mostly to do with money. But the people who go to war, they do not come back better or richer, but the power hungry peoe who back the war, certainly will.

When it comes to the rich mans wars we fight in, it would be better if those fighting these wars died rather than come back maimed and disabled since now they are a drain on the rich mans pockets.

Then some scummy politician can present to your family a folded American flag made in China for 2 bucks to thank your family for your service.

originally posted by: jacobe001

Send the politicians, business men, and wall street investors off spring to go fight it.
The rich in this country are the true socialists. They want other peoples offspring to go fight their wars.
Have some skin in the game and go take a bullet.

Lol where does "business men, and wall street investors" come into the mix? Are they evil? Does a wall street investor even care one way or the other. War in general is not good for the stock market, just saying.

Socialism/Communism treats their population much worst... People become numbers, acceptable losses, undesirables that need to be reformed or eliminated. The concentration camps in Xinjiang province are a splitting image of Nazi's concentration camps right down to shaving of their heads and shipping them in rail road cattle cars.

originally posted by: jacobe001

We need to make it so the rich are the only ones fighting the wars since they are the major beneficiaries and get all the perks from it.

So the millionaire that owns three franchised Mc D's is banking off the wars? There is a military industrial complex, yes, but your idea that "the rich" are evil in general is stupid.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I second what you said, especially when you couple it to the fact that what qualifies as 'rich' is usually relative to the wealth of the person speaking....

Inflation may make us all millionaires, who knows?

If that happens, I doubt we will all feel 'rich'.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: jacobe001

Send the politicians, business men, and wall street investors off spring to go fight it.
The rich in this country are the true socialists. They want other peoples offspring to go fight their wars.
Have some skin in the game and go take a bullet.

Lol where does "business men, and wall street investors" come into the mix? Are they evil? Does a wall street investor even care one way or the other. War in general is not good for the stock market, just saying.

Nonsense, go on some investment forums sometimes and people will pipe in about good defense stocks to go into when war talk is brought up. They will be just fine since it is an all volunteer military while other people do the dirty work.

We need to bring the draft back and make them have some skin in the game.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: jacobe001

Send the politicians, business men, and wall street investors off spring to go fight it.
The rich in this country are the true socialists. They want other peoples offspring to go fight their wars.
Have some skin in the game and go take a bullet.

Lol where does "business men, and wall street investors" come into the mix? Are they evil? Does a wall street investor even care one way or the other. War in general is not good for the stock market, just saying.

Nonsense, go on some investment forums sometimes and people will pipe in about good defense stocks to go into when war talk is brought up. They will be just fine since it is an all volunteer military while other people do the dirty work.

We need to bring the draft back and make them have some skin in the game.