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Seattle Police union leader sounds the alarm - They are coming through the door

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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 02:43 PM
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"Socialists" on Seattle's City Council are holding a "reasonable majority" of residents hostage by threatening to slash police spending by 50 percent, a union leader said Saturday.


"It's absolutely a travesty," said Seattle Police Officers Guild President Michael Solan, appearing on "Fox & Friends Weekend."


"They are no longer at the door - they are coming through the door"

"This is coming into your neighborhood if we don't wake up and stop this socialist threat immediately."

www.foxnews.com...

I know what side I'm on folks. I am with our police no matter what. They are holding regular Americans hostage with their radical and nonsensical efforts to defund police departments and bring their particular brand of AmericanCarnage to the suburbs, rural areas and your front yard.

Thin blue line all the way. These are brave men and women of outstanding moral character. Don't listen to the liars, they are good people doing a difficult, dangerous and thankless job. If you don't have their backs then you deserve the chaos and mayhem heading your way.
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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 02:58 PM
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I'm not a socialist, I just can't recall a single police interaction in thirty years that worked out for me.
Every single time, it's me getting punished for doing something not that unreasonable, but against the law in their eyes.
Every. Single. Time.

Spend that money on the fire department instead. At least those guys are there to help. Or so I'm told. At least they're not randomly enforcing badly written rules on unsuspecting tax payers.


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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: a325nt

Its ironic you blame the police for enforcing laws our "leaders" create. Is it the cops fault they have to deal with the blowback from laws they didn't create? Meanwhile the idiots who pass those laws get a pass. Maybe it time we start holding the law makers accountable?


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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: a325nt

Are You familiar with a certain famous bank robbery in North Hollywood? When police had to basically raid a gun store to match the fire power the 2 bank robbers had. Now let's imagine we cut all of the nations police force spending in half...you don't see the issues that will arise from that?



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:11 PM
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This clown is only concerned about the cut in personnel and how that's going to affect the Unions bottom line. The reality about this is that he and a his little reps are part of the problem in Seattle too. While some of what he stated is true, his politically worded statement is nothing more than an attempt to appear in line with the Police Chief going full Gordon on the Mayor and City Council.

From: King5


SEATTLE — Calling the idea "reckless," Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best said she is against potential budget cuts to her department.

At least seven of nine Seattle city council members said they support cutting the police department budget by half and reallocating money to other services.

"If we are asked to cut 50% of our department overnight, we will be forced into decisions that do not serve our shared long-term goal of re-envisioning community safety," Best said in a video statement.

For weeks, protesters on Capitol Hill were heard chanting "defund the police."

Best said defunding the police department by 50% is simply unrealistic.

"I do not believe we should be asking the people of Seattle to test out a theory, that crime goes away if police goes away. That is completely reckless," Best said.

If the SPD budget were cut this would mean job cuts, closing the southwest precinct and refocusing bike units and anti-crime teams on 911 response, she said.


Ever since that press conference where the mayor told her to be quiet and then over spoke her about police policies, Carmen Best has been acting more like a Police Chief and less like the "Token Black Chick" that both the mayor and city council wanted her to be.

Hell she didn't just say "a majority of people" she named names.
Also from the link above:

The council members who have shown support for cutting the police budget by 50% are Tammy Morales, Kshama Sawant, Teresa Mosqueda, M. Lorena Gonzalez, Lisa Herbold, Dan Strauss and Andrew Lewis.

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan also proposed cuts to the police budget, but not by 50%


She's also been on the local news circuit around here explaining to the public what defunding the police is really about, and why those people want the police removed for the city budget. So while this Union rep is just doing a PR stunt to show that the union backs the Chief, the reality is much different.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:14 PM
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The thin blue line needs wiped from their vocabulary. Inappropriate.
It's the line between citizens and cops.
We pay their gd salaries.
Cops have gotten dumb, militant and aggressive.
Remove pensions and unions and require a 3rd party camera stream.
People are corruptible and need monitored when in control positions.
Especially when they are armed and not trained to deal with high stress situations.
Laws need removed. Too many laws.
If the laws weren't being used as income for the state, right removal, political reasons etc...people would like cops.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:17 PM
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Union leaders generally get corrupt.
"They will be coming through your door if you don't pay us more!"
That statement is the union holding the people hostage
Are you related to law enforcement?


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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:24 PM
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I'd imagine that patriotic Washington residents far outnumber Seattle commie residents.

Time for the city to be taken back by force.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: JBurns


I am with our police no matter what.


Really???

Justine Damon

Daniel Shaver

Tony Timpa

All of the above killings are okay with you?

Police Kill Too Many People—White and Black

How about these???


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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

If I have to choose to side with the Police or Antifa / BLM, I'd side with the Police every day of the week and twice on Tuesday.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:57 PM
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How about being an active member of your community and being personally responsible for your own lives?

We pay them to protect us from us.
Do you see the fundamental flaw with that?

The only ways to end crime is to abolish all laws, enact total authoritarianism or destroy all humans.

Bad people doing bad things will always happen and if the threat is so great to an area those people need to come together to stop it.

It wasn't only the police that stopped Charles Whitman in Austin, the community also stepped in to stop him.

Also the OP complains about socialists, doesn't paying the police force salaries with tax payer money make it a socialist program?



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 03:58 PM
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Most if not all Seattle City officials need deep thorough psych evaluations 😄



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: SKEPTEK
a reply to: Boadicea

If I have to choose to side with the Police or Antifa / BLM, I'd side with the Police every day of the week and twice on Tuesday.


But you don't have to choose a side.
You can detest them both.

You can't just shoot either of them if they decide to kill your family though, because one of them will just call in more and more help until you're dead or in chains.
And then you'll get the bill for it!



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: SKEPTEK
a reply to: Boadicea

If I have to choose to side with the Police or Antifa / BLM, I'd side with the Police every day of the week and twice on Tuesday.


So you'll stand on the side of cruel and sadistic cold-blooded murderers... Okay. Good to know.

But if you think you are also standing with good and honorable officers, you are very wrong. It is impossible to stand for good and evil at the same time.

And this is the problem. Not to be too simplistic, but the extremists on the left proclaim, "All cops are bad bad bad!!!" The extremists on the right proclaim, "All cops are good good good!!!" But the truth lies in the middle.

I'll stand with the good and honorable LEOs... and demand justice of the bad LEOs.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Do you think out of all police interactions during arrests that the handful of cases of legitimate police wrong doing...and I'm sure there is wrong doing...the appropriate response is to defund them? I personally would worry more about what would happen with poorly funded/unfunded police than I do about running into that small portion of corrupt/murdering police officers. Does a handful of murders justify tossing the baby out with the bath water?



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 04:09 PM
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I’m not sure how it works, but does the council set the budget and then the police spend it?

If so i would be looking at the necessity of the policing of government buildings and VIP protection. Gotta make cutbacks after all



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Boadicea

Do you think out of all police interactions during arrests that the handful of cases of legitimate police wrong doing...and I'm sure there is wrong doing...the appropriate response is to defund them? I personally would worry more about what would happen with poorly funded/unfunded police than I do about running into that small portion of corrupt/murdering police officers. Does a handful of murders justify tossing the baby out with the bath water?


Good question. I think towns and cities should do what is best for their communities particular needs and circumstances.

I know though that "defund" police means many things to different people/communities. If, as is the case in Minneapolis, their city police refuse to police according to the will of the community, and the police become as much a threat to the community as the thugs, then I do understand making different arrangements, such as contracting with the (duly elected) Sheriff's Department to provide policing.

Some defunding might be better referred to as re-allocated funding. For example, when protocol changes for mental health calls to put more emphasis on taking the patient to a mental health facility for proper treatment, rather than taking a perp to jail... or the morgue because an LEO was "afraid" his life at risk.

Police reform can look like a lot of very different things, depending on the particular needs and circumstances of each community. The devil is always in the details.

However, like you, I am most concerned about under-funding police. If a city or town is going to have a police department, it needs to be properly funded. It's not fair to put officers at any disadvantage if you're going to ask them to put themselves in harm's way.

We should be able to expect the best from them, and they should be able to expect the best from us.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

I am not familiar with the situation of the police in Minneapolis. I am familiar with the idea that you don't hire a doctor then tell them how to save lives. You hire the doctor because he knows how and generally those he serves don't. I do think that communities should have the right and ability to have over sight to make it more difficult for officers breaking the law to get away with their crimes...be it planting evidence, turning a blind eye to the cartels, or unjustly using deadly force. I think that is fair to give the people.

Also don't think it would be a bad idea to have police chiefs be elected officals just as Sheriffs are. That introduces more accountability not less...they also would have to take the oath supporting our constitution...which they could be held accountable for breaking.

The only people who seem to be ok with defunding police departments are those who can buy or will be provided with security anyway...or the criminals who stand to get away with more crimes.
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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: a325nt

Ever consider that the problem is badly written rules (or the rules period in the first place) and not the ones charged with enforcing it?

Our weak, ineffective and frankly useless legislatures are to blame. Not the people on the ground.

We have TEN amendments in the Bill of Rights. Start there! A handful of other laws - grounded in those amendments - makes sense. Anything else is a severe and unacceptable overreach.


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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

You rattle off 3 or 4 names but ignore the hundreds killed in major cities over the last week. This is why that argument falls flat on its face.

Far fewer people are killed by LEOs than by other private citizens, most of which are gang bangers and crims

On the rare occassion a police officer screws up and does so maliciously, fine throw the book at them as has been happening

But you don't get to create a culture of fear and outright hostility toward LE and then complain when incidences of accidental shootings and overreaction start happening. How about prosecuting those agitating and instigating that puts these officers in fear 24/7/365. You don't want police officers coming up to your window when you're passed out in the street? STOP ELECTING MORONS WHO PASS LAWS CRIMINALIZING THIS THEN!

The point is that socialism is always working to remove the impediments to its tyrannical rule over America:

1) Police
2) Armed citizens
3) Shared history/values
4) Objectivity and reason over knee jerk emotionally driven reactions

I'll tell you one thing though they continue kicking the hornet's nest they aren't going to like the results

LEAVE OUR POLICE ALONE!
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