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Deep State Supreme Court Rules Trump Tax Records Can Be Turned Over To Manhattan District Attorney

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posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Negative. If someone breaks the law, take them to court. If found guilty, send them to prison.

It's that simple. Party doesn't matter. Everyone gets their day in court.




posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: starfoxxx
Not to mention OF COURSE they are going to charge Trump for something...


Let's say, for argument's sake, that the tax records show criminality. What would you want to see happen?


It would depend on the level of criminality found; I'd expect the punishment to fit the crime and that it conforms with the historical average penalty for that crime and age of that crime.

I would also expect that given the people involved and their level of importance that information found be kept confidential until it is used during a public court hearing where the accused has a proper chance to defend themselves.

I have little confidence that any case involving Donald Trump carried out in my state of New York will not turn into a political circus. If it does degenerate into just another political circus; than I probably won't care that a tax crime was comited unless it is most egregious.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

As a Dem I'm totally OK with that. Unlike most boot licking Republicans I'm fine with putting criminals where they belong. Even if they are from my own party. And that's place is prison.

If we actually had zero tolerance for criminal activity for public officials we'd have a government that worked together to make this country a better place.


I agree with this. We've reached a boiling point, a huge political divide. But if every corrupt politician could be forced to step down, serve time in prison, whatever, then this country would be a much better place. I don't care what party they belong to, they need to be ousted if they're corrupt and need to be replaced by people who can at least pass a tax audit. And those who are ousted should never be able to hold office again whether they've "done their time" or not.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:15 AM
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Once the records are released, we are going to find out that Trump had sex - not only with Hillary - but with Michelle too.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck
You seem to have a pretty good handle on issue, do you know why they want his tax return and is it for just one year



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: grey580




Unlike most boot licking Republicans I'm fine with putting criminals where they belong.


Except when it comes to throwing Mazeltov cocktails,rioting,looting,decapitating,burning tearing down statues. Illegally spying on a presidential candidate framing members of his staff, and manufacturing impeachment evidence, and rape against supreme court nominations.

But Trumps the 'bad' guy and 'boot' licking R's.

Gonna fit right in with Never Trumps new socialist world order.



Yeah, they can't help but throw that part in there... I agree with the grand scheme of it, that any corrupt politician from small town mayors to presidents and every elected official in between, should be toast if they're corrupt. But at the same time, that precedent needs to extend to all elected officials regardless of party.

If you could lay out their crimes and leave their names and party off the list, we would more than likely be losing 90% of elected officials.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

As a Dem I'm totally OK with that. Unlike most boot licking Republicans I'm fine with putting criminals where they belong. Even if they are from my own party. And that's place is prison.

If we actually had zero tolerance for criminal activity for public officials we'd have a government that worked together to make this country a better place.


I agree with this. We've reached a boiling point, a huge political divide. But if every corrupt politician could be forced to step down, serve time in prison, whatever, then this country would be a much better place. I don't care what party they belong to, they need to be ousted if they're corrupt and need to be replaced by people who can at least pass a tax audit. And those who are ousted should never be able to hold office again whether they've "done their time" or not.


That's just fantasy, though. There will be a winner and a loser from this current divide along political lines.
The corruption on the winning side will be brushed under the carpet, the corrupt on the losing side will be removed and many jailed.
IN other words, corruption will prevail no matter the political outcome.



edit on 9/7/2020 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Do they taste like plasma? Blegh



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: Trueman

At least till after the election probably.

I am finding it amazing how many on the conservative side seem to be having a fit over this.
As far as I know the only arguments the trump legal team presented was that he had immunity.. immunity from any and all criminal proceedings, immunity from oversight, nope pres doesnt have to answer to anyone.
Well someone brought up biden and his supposed crimes... do yous think that a president biden should have the kind of far reaching immunity as trumps legal team has been trying to claim for him? No president should be that far above the law! Not while in office and not once they are out of office.
The court shot down their one and I believe only argument they gave and is giving them the opportunity to think up some more realistic arguments to try. And, by doing so, put this on the back burner till after the election. Which if trump loses, wont matter since his initial request was to postpone it till he was out of office. Think he might have to start from scratch if he loses if he still wants to block the grand jury from getting the information.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:23 AM
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Well here we go again.
Trump has responded - "political with hunt'.
Get ready for the next chapter of political warfare - claim and counter claim.
It's pathetic.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

I'm just dealing with the ny case here... but they want more than the taxes. My guess is that they might be investigating possible bank fraud as well as income tax fraud and it's based on something cohen testified to while under oath in congress.. basically, trump might have been overestimating the values of his assets when he was applying for loans while underestimating the values when it came to taxes.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: LSU2018

if it's fair to pull Trump';s tax returns then it should be fair to pull all of Congress's tax returns. Let's look at every member and see just what we can find.

I completely agree with you here LSU. And rather than starting this process with some random member of the House, let's start right at the top with Trump and then proceed from there


There's no better way to drain the real swamp in my opinion.


Agreed again. Yet, if this is so, that this would be the best way to drain the swamp, wouldn't that have been the first course of action by a Potus who pledged to do just that? Who promised he was the only one who could save Ameria?

If making public all elected officials tax returns could help us clean up this mess in political leadership, the potus should be on this right now. But he isn't.

Why?

An obvious answer is that he has not because he himself would have damning information presented to the voting public. But that is only one answer. Can you come up with another?



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Well here we go again.
Trump has responded - "political with hunt'.
Get ready for the next chapter of political warfare - claim and counter claim.
It's pathetic.
Considering the BS this man has endured, he has EVERY RIGHT TO CLAIM OTHERWISE.

It's Trumps natural position to hit back, it's who he is and something his supporters know, recognize and expect.

Did you people expect a tweet in stride? "Excellent ruling by the SCOTUS, back to square one!"?



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:32 AM
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You seem to have a pretty good handle on issue, do you know why they want his tax return and is it for just one year

If the SDNY has said what the actual charges are, I haven't noticed it. I have heard that their case is based on Michael Cohen turning state's evidence (which, knowing that case, I assume is made up). Cohen is a despicable little man... I thought he was a snake in the grass the first time I heard about him, a necessary evil in many cases when in a cutthroat business like Manhattan real estate. Now I consider him even less. If there is criminality at question, I would expect it to be circling Cohen much more than Trump.

So far I can accept that Trump is refusing the release on principle; I have seen him make no flip-flops based on situational reasoning. He may later prove me wrong on that, but that's how I see it for now. With the number of leaks and operatives held over from the Obama administration, I believe if there was a single penny out of place in those tax records, they would have been splayed across every screen in the nation for cumulative months.

I have never heard of anyone being charged with anything other than tax evasion based on tax returns... there's just not enough good evidence there. I really can see in my mind's eye some prosecutor telling the Grand Jury, "Donald Trump ate live babies out of nuns' arms while peeing on the Constitution and I can prove it if you will just get me those tax returns!" Considering the fact that a Grand jury is made up of 12 random people, none of whom are smart enough to get out of jury duty...

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah I know. But I hope you're wrong. It's ok to dream about taking down corrupt politicians.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

He might have had a different idea, I don't know. I don't care what order they go in, they can start with Trump or they can start with Omar. Either way, if the results were honest results then the outcome would remain the same.

The biggest concern for me would be honesty. And we should all hate corrupt politicians just as much, no matter what party they belong to. But that takes an honest person, how many of us peons are honest? I am, I want all corruption wiped from our politics.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar


basically, trump might have been overestimating the values of his assets when he was applying for loans while underestimating the values when it came to taxes.

Sorry, but that makes zero sense. In the first place, what bank takes someone's word on asset value? I could go down and claim my house is worth $12,500,000.00 tomorrow... doesn't matter. The bank is gonna send out someone to get an unbiased (read: biased in their favor) value on my house... after they stop laughing at me thinking it is worth that much.

If Trump was undervaluing his assets for tax purposes, that is a crime... a misdemeanor. A fine. The IRS has been auditing the man for how many years? If they had any indication of that, they would have been already on him like a chicken on a June bug.

I just don't see that being a reasonable possibility. I see why someone might initially see that, I just can't agree with it.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:43 AM
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The POTUS is pissed and rightfully so.

I don't think he even cares about the ruling overall, just that it was politically motivated and now having to deal with another greenlit BS House dem hunt.

It's true that this President has endure so much BS, that you can see that he longs for peace, but won't lay down.

It makes me even more supportive of Trunp and that much more heated at the Dems for their political BS push.

Can you imagine a united Congress without Radical Dems and NeoCon McCain types initially hampering him? The stuff we could have done and accomplished, SMDFH.

Fight these bumbling fools and morons Trump! Teflon Don, you can't stump the Trump, bring it on Dems, you're facing wokeness Level 9000, git rekt.
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posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:43 AM
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Two hundred years ago, a great jurist of our Court established that no citizen, not even the President, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding," the chief justice wrote. "We reaffirm that principle today and hold that the President is neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas seeking his private papers nor entitled to a heightened standard of need.


Cool! Now let's see that audit of the Federal Reserve that we've all been hoping for.

While we're at it, the CIA, NSA, and the IRS can start turning over records of their criminal actions as well.



posted on Jul, 9 2020 @ 11:51 AM
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The case will come down to whether campaign funds were used to pay off women who allegedly slept with him and allegedly were allegedly bribed to allegedly not tell anyone. Allegedly......This is where the case went to the SC. I expect that everyone in the entire procedure may just plead the 5th when the boulders start dropping from the sky.



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