Is tearing down statues the modern equivalent of the Nazi book burnings?

Unless there is a fire of course a reply to: Phage

a reply to: DBCowboy

I expressed an opinion

Are you sure you weren't just joking? Or being sarcastic?

Those are good cop outs too.

originally posted by: Bicent

"They want to remove any relics of the heroes good or bad of America’s history, because during that time, slaves existed, which was not taboo, in that time period"

'They' knew it was wrong, Washington knew it was wrong, still though he hung on to his own slaves.

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Short answer, no, not the same, but close. Monuments are meant to glorify, or put on a pedestal, those who have done great and amazing things. In that sense, I understand some of where they are coming from, as some see no greatness, as it is canceled by the bad things they did. I am for keeping the statues up, once gone, they are gone for good, and lost to history.......works of art, and while they (founding fathers) were in the wrong for owning other people, and deep down they probably knew it, they still helped build this country, and are important to our history

Books on the other hand, are not out there as a spectacle for all to see in public. they must be sought out, and studied if a person is so inclined. if they turn their attention to books after this, we are further descending into dangerous territory......

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

I expressed an opinion

Are you sure you weren't just joking? Or being sarcastic?

Those are good cop outs too.

So you have to qualify it?

I still stand by my assertion. You've failed, in my opinion, to offer anything reasonable to counter.

*shrugs*

I say, "Agree to disagree" but those of certain ideologies would rather silence those with whom they disagree.

C'est la via!

I will always be for more free speech rather than less, I will always be for more free expression rather than less.

I'd rather always be for more freedom than argue on the side for less.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Putting a statue in a museum violates no one's rights.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

Putting a statue in a museum violates no one's rights.

Unless you control the museum.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: vonclod
No, books are information, statues are symbols. I don't see the equivalent, other than destroying either is wrong.

Words are symbols designed to express actions, ideas, concepts.

I still think it boils down to books being information, a statue is a one dimensional thing, you can look at it, you may think about it, but it does not tell you anything, what it might say to you, is up to you.

If that makes any sense

Not at all. This isnt about erasing history. Its about a cultural superiority.

Race isnt even on the third card of this fight.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Unless you control the museum.

"Stop you! No one is allowed in this museum."

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

I expressed an opinion

Are you sure you weren't just joking? Or being sarcastic?

Those are good cop outs too.

So you have to qualify it?

I still stand by my assertion. You've failed, in my opinion, to offer anything reasonable to counter.

*shrugs*

I say, "Agree to disagree" but those of certain ideologies would rather silence those with whom they disagree.

C'est la via!

I will always be for more free speech rather than less, I will always be for more free expression rather than less.

I'd rather always be for more freedom than argue on the side for less.

When f'ing Noam Chomsky, who I would agree with on very little, comes out against the stifling of debate/speech, you know #e is getting serious. he was content to let this go on for years, yet somehow now he actually does something....must be concerned "they" will eventually try and cancel him?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: IAMTAT

Ever been to the Gettysburg battlefield?

No. Are there works by Praxiteles, Donatello, Michelangelo, or Rodin there?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You answered you were referring to "historical statues".

I then asked you if you ever visited Gettysburg...and you chose to be an ass about it.

The battlefield is an outdoor learning experience...where visitors can learn every step of the battle as it unfolded, within the actual environment the battle occurred. The hundreds of Union and Confederate "historical" statues are part of the teaching experience. They outline what happened at each significant spot and often list the names of the soldiers that died in that place.

I've been there several times with my family...and it's a learning experience one simply can't experience just looking at a statue inside a museum.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

Unless you control the museum.

"Stop you! No one is allowed in this museum."

en.wikipedia.org...

In your opinion.

Which I will defend, though I disagree.

Pity you can't do the same.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

Which one honors a famous jew?

Job: images.app.goo.gl...

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
Is the left-side political movement repeating mistakes from earlier revolutionary movements by attempting to erase historic ideologies opposed to their own?

I don't think that is the motivation.
It's about hiding their own histories and ideologies.
That's why it is so twisted.

This isn't for black people being oppressed.
It's about white people being inconvenienced by the term racism.

I'm going to anger some people who normally agree with me most likely, but I don't think tearing down statues is the same as burning books.

That being said I don't think these statues should be destroyed. Perhaps a good idea would be to place them in a museum dedicated to American history. That way if a person wishes to see them they can.

But before a statue gets whisked away into a museum there should be a vote. Ask all of the residents who live in the town or city whether or not the statue should go. Quite simple really.

A statue can instill a sense of curiosity about what is being displayed, so even if the statue is of a racist sunnavabitch a person may feel the spark of motivation to figure out more about the figure being represented and the what that person did or didn't do, and more about the era it happened.

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Short answer, no, not the same, but close. Monuments are meant to glorify, or put on a pedestal, those who have done great and amazing things. In that sense, I understand some of where they are coming from, as some see no greatness, as it is canceled by the bad things they did. I am for keeping the statues up, once gone, they are gone for good, and lost to history.......works of art, and while they (founding fathers) were in the wrong for owning other people, and deep down they probably knew it, they still helped build this country, and are important to our history

Books on the other hand, are not out there as a spectacle for all to see in public. they must be sought out, and studied if a person is so inclined. if they turn their attention to books after this, we are further descending into dangerous territory......

Pretty much,
In this, 'modern' day, how much can still be lost of the printed word.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Wanna learn something today?

You've probably been taught your entire life that the Nazi's were burning history books and things of that nature.

They weren't.

They were burning pornographic and sexually deviant material that was infesting the streets of Berlin in the 1930's. These were books that were advocating transgenderism and the normalization of pedophilia. I support that. And it took a good 7 decades or so for the the same people to get those books back into "intellectual" circles.

Droppin dem bombz

Was never a fan of idolizing persons by making statues of them.

Tell stories about them, write books about their deeds. But making statues of them is just weird.

If there is any historical or artistic value to the statues, just put them into a museum or art gallery.

originally posted by: vonclod
No, books are information, statues are symbols. I don't see the equivalent, other than destroying either is wrong.

Is not the intent and the result the same regardless if the historic record is in a book or in form of a statue - a wish to remove something politically undesirable from history?

Remember the old proverb, "out of sight, out of mind" ?

-MM