Is tearing down statues the modern equivalent of the Nazi book burnings?

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

It’s an attempt at socialism, if the democrats keep the house gain the senate and win the presidency, the USA as you know it will be bye bye Dorothy.

A year ago I would have thought saying that was crazy, but it’s not. A year from now, what we think we understand now, will be wrong. Just look how fast this movement has moved in 6 weeks. Oh this was planned out, for a LONG TIME.

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Better they be placed in museums perhaps.
Like libraries, only for statues. Then those who want to see them can.

originally posted by: Liquesence

Is tearing down statues the modern equivalent of the Nazi book burnings?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: no.

Burning book is attempted erasure of knowledge.

Statues is removal is not.

Are not these statues historical records? If these statues are destroyed, will not the historical records they hold also be destroyed?

-MM

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Better they be placed in museums perhaps.
Like libraries, only for statues. Then those who want to see them can.

Yes.

With detailed, actual history.

Not glorification (like Texas & the Alamo)

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Nazi book burnings were sponsored by the Nazi/German government.
Statue tear downs in the US are not sponsored by the federal government (so far).

But it is still ideologically driven.

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Are not these statues historical records?

Not really. They are more like homages.

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: Liquesence

Is tearing down statues the modern equivalent of the Nazi book burnings?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: no.

Burning book is attempted erasure of knowledge.

Statues is removal is not.

Are not these statues historical records? If these statues are destroyed, will not the historical records they hold also be destroyed?

-MM

Statues are symbols of free expression.

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

MANY of these statues contain time capsules.
www.nytimes.com...

So, yes, history and knowledge of the period these statues were dedicated are destroyed.

a reply to: IAMTAT

So, yes, history and knowledge of the period these statues were dedicated are destroyed.

Nope. You can read all about it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: Liquesence

Is tearing down statues the modern equivalent of the Nazi book burnings?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: no.

Burning book is attempted erasure of knowledge.

Statues is removal is not.

Are not these statues historical records? If these statues are destroyed, will not the historical records they hold also be destroyed?

-MM

Statues are symbols of free expression.

Have you actually read the facts on - how - when - and why these confederate statues were placed?

a reply to: DBCowboy

You are not free to yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

I hear Mapplethorpe did some "expression" too. Let's put his pictures up in the town square.

Was not the US economy built on slavery from the start? Historian and author Edward E. Baptist in his book "The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism," explains how slavery built the US from colonial economy to the second biggest industrial power in the world. Your largest cities and even the White House was built by slaves and with money from the slave economy - would you not have to tear down all your largest cities if you want to get rid of everything related to your slave history?

-MM

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

You are not free to yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

I hear Mapplethorpe did some "expression" too. Let's put his pictures up in the town square.

A statue is not an infringement of anyones rights.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation

originally posted by: Liquesence

Is tearing down statues the modern equivalent of the Nazi book burnings?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: no.

Burning book is attempted erasure of knowledge.

Statues is removal is not.

Are not these statues historical records? If these statues are destroyed, will not the historical records they hold also be destroyed?

-MM

Statues are symbols of free expression.

Have you actually read the facts on - how - when - and why these confederate statues were placed?

Typical.

You're "qualifying" free expression.

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Here's a little lesson in logical thought. You are not demonstrating logical thought.
www.thoughtco.com...

a reply to: DBCowboy

A statue is not an infringement of anyones rights.

Neither is a Mapplethorpe photograph. But I don't think many communities would like to have them displayed in the town square.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DBCowboy

A statue is not an infringement of anyones rights.

Neither is a Mapplethorpe photograph. But I don't think many communities would like to have them displayed in the town square.

"I may disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it."
-Voltaire

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

Wanna learn something today?

You've probably been taught your entire life that the Nazi's were burning history books and things of that nature.

They weren't.

They were burning pornographic and sexually deviant material that was infesting the streets of Berlin in the 1930's. These were books that were advocating transgenderism and the normalization of pedophilia. I support that. And it took a good 7 decades or so for the the same people to get those books back into "intellectual" circles.

It was far more than that, furthermore..they destroyed all the books they could get their hands, but I guess you know that already, as I also guess that the OP knows that already too.

'Jewish, pacifist, religious, liberal, anarchist, socialist, communist, and sexologist authors among others. The first books burned were those of Karl Marx and Karl' and they used university 'students' to do it.
en.wikipedia.org...

As for statues, why in the name of Harry are they up there, a civil war is not exactly an age of innocence, I agree with Phage though that vandalising is not the way to go. Stick them in a museum, tag them with the documented realities, and that must include the, FF of the USA, also not so innocent I would infer.
I'm done in this thread, I think it is not an honest construct.

a reply to: MerkabaMeditation

🤦‍♂️ Tearing down statues is not where it ends. Decisions made long ago, that has nothing to do with us, or our parents is the vibrance behind the angst. It is something that has been proven, time and time again to be a vice, you know the British, may have done the right thing conceding defeat in the revolutionary war.

Nothing in life is fair, it just is not. As a matter a fact the whole concept of LIFE, is enduring agony, in order to position ourselves on a daily basis to survive.

We developed laws, currency and civilizations to make that struggle easier. What is interesting is now it appears we forgot how to deal with pressure.

In any case, the pragmatic way of reasoning and understanding should not be applied when confronting this problem. Not to mention it is beginning to appear, that this movement wants to erase the history of the United States, dismantle the constitution and somehow create some new utopian idea. Sounds very similar to socialism, why do people not study history?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Are you an anarchist now?

You can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.