Young Americans willing to give up First Amendment rights to avoid offending others

a reply to: AnnihilateThis

Rock died as soon as the Music Industry seen how much money it could produce.
"Welcome To The Machine"

Funny you mention the machine.
Pink Floyd while decrying that actually tapped into it quite successfully financially.

After Dark Side they wrote Welcome. They kept growing as a phenomena

en.wikipedia.org...

Commercial performance
Delicate Sound of Thunder reached #11 on the Billboard 200 and is currently listed as Triple Platinum in U.S. sales — it was certified Gold and Platinum on 23 January 1989 and Triple Platinum in April 1997. In Canada, it was #57 in the 1989 year-end chart. [1]

First in space
Delicate Sound of Thunder became the first album to be played in space, as Soviet cosmonauts took it aboard Soyuz TM-7. David Gilmour and Nick Mason attended the mission's launch.[

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The Endless River

and the first following the death in 2008 of keyboardist Richard Wright, who appears posthumously. Gilmour and Mason stated that they believed it would be the final Pink Floyd album.

The Endless River comprises instrumental and ambient music based on material recorded during sessions for the band's previous album, The Division Bell (1994).....

......The Endless River was promoted with the "Louder than Words" single and artwork installations in cities around the world. It became the most pre-ordered album of all time on Amazon UK, and debuted at number one in several countries

Who says you cant sell your soul by making money off your dead bandmates?

Young Americans are often nave and idealistic at the same time it is both a curse and a blessing; they often don't think very far ahead in life because they have few responsibilities to worry about. I know this because I use to be a young American.

Of course "giving up some free speech on campus so that others feel more comfortable" sounds like a good idea ... who doesn't hold their tongue at times so as not to harm others ... that use to be called "good manners" and it's something I hope I am teaching my own children.

The problem arises when you move what would be good manners, when left to personal responsibility, into a realm where they are dictated by authority at the point of penalty when violated. These Young Americans aren't thinking far enough ahead to see where their idealism might bring them.

I wouldn't worry though Young Americans grow up to be Old Americans where the issue tends to reverse itself and causes a whole other set of problems.

a reply to: DanDanDat

Hear something that challenges your world view, label it hate speech. Then let the mob do it’s thing.

It's today's substitute for religion, this SJW urge. They feel they are giving themselves to a higher cause which is commendable but they haven't thought through the ramifications of what they do. I'm sure the young German national socialists felt the same way in the 1930's. They dont have the experience or knowledge of history to know where this leads to. The parallels to the Russian, French and Chinese cultural revolutions are downright chilling. It is by abusing the best impulses in others for nefarious ends we come to this crossroads. Collective rights trump individual rights in their minds; ignoring the fact there is no such thing as collective rights. That is collective power, influence and control - all which comes at the expense of individual rights. When those are gone there is nothing left but the collective.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

They are willingly sacrificing their individuality.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Asktheanimals

They are willingly sacrificing their individuality.

It's the price heroes must pay.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: AnnihilateThis

The Counter Culture of the 60's saw it coming, and Jim Morrison said it best. Rock Is Dead.

Jim Morrison didn't know what he was talking about. Rock isn't Dead! It's better than ever with people and bands coming out every day and thanks to the www, they get a chance to be heard by millions; Unlike the 60s where only a few labels determined what rock you got to listen to.

If you were really a rock aficionado you would know that young Americans haven't given up their 1st amendment rights. Listen to their music.

That right wing rag doesn't know jack sh!t about young Americans.

first most of the old morrison type artists wrote their own music, composed their own lyrics and actually sang and played their own instruments.

most (not all but rare) dont write their own songs/music and could not even if you gave them a fill in the blank and right words .

most could not survive a whole concert (much less a part of it) without autotune and even lip sync .

the only advantage they have is their auto corrected/ auto tune written by others music you can hear it on more platforms thanks to the internet . but does not make it better or them even worthy "music artists"

lastly that has to do ZERO with politics (be left , right, democrat , republican or martian) but more to do with show over talent .

scrounger

let me put it more bluntly about this group and the mentality behind it that many many young today follow

ever wonder how the population of germany embraced Nazism, that russia embraced communism, that japan embraced military imperialism, that italy embraced fascism, that cambodia embraced pol pot, and that china embraced the cultural revolution.


just look at this mentality that they are WILLFULLY embracing in larger and larger numbers.

that the end justifies the means .
that law and order, rights, constitution, and just common sense has no place over "the cause"

this is how you get all those horrible history that has already taken place.

your seeing it come around again

scrounger

THOSE THAT DO NOT STUDY (LEARN) FROM HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT

a reply to: scrounger

You're talking to a boomer. You know; Vietnam, civil rights, that sort of thing. Best music. Ever.

My daughter is no idiot. Trust me. She's learned from me and she has taught me some things. And she totally digs my record collection.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: scrounger

You're talking to a boomer. You know; Vietnam, civil rights, that sort of thing. Best music. Ever.

My daughter is no idiot. Trust me. She's learned from me and she has taught me some things. And she totally digs my record collection.

then you have taught her well

sadly most have not or willingly will not

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

There have always been assholes.
Did I ever tell you about Stanford in 1972? Now is no different. Except that most of the music sucks. Hot Tuna isn't playing Winterland. Or anywhere, come to think of it.
www.wolfgangs.com...

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AnnihilateThis

originally posted by: Annee
Uh, ya think maybe there’s bias in the article you’ve selected?

“Campus Reform, a project of the Leadership Institute, is America’s leading site for college news.

As a conservative watchdog to the nation’s higher education system, Campus Reform exposes liberal bias and abuse on the nation’s college campuses.”

www.campusreform.org...

As I mentioned in the post, I do not know who or what Campus Reform is. However based on observation, I see this mindset being shared among a good chunk of the youth.

I think I began shaking my head a few years ago when "Safe Spaces" became a thing.

I have no bias in politics one way or another, I believe it's all garbage anyways. Crap's out of the hands of the individual, and no matter what rich old stooge takes office for our nation, we will be subjected to more pain and dismantling of our core human nature and rights.

You don’t think the source of what you’re presenting is important?

If the information is the truth, the source doesn't matter.

You knew that though, right?

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AnnihilateThis

originally posted by: Annee
Uh, ya think maybe there’s bias in the article you’ve selected?

“Campus Reform, a project of the Leadership Institute, is America’s leading site for college news.

As a conservative watchdog to the nation’s higher education system, Campus Reform exposes liberal bias and abuse on the nation’s college campuses.”

www.campusreform.org...

As I mentioned in the post, I do not know who or what Campus Reform is. However based on observation, I see this mindset being shared among a good chunk of the youth.

I think I began shaking my head a few years ago when "Safe Spaces" became a thing.

I have no bias in politics one way or another, I believe it's all garbage anyways. Crap's out of the hands of the individual, and no matter what rich old stooge takes office for our nation, we will be subjected to more pain and dismantling of our core human nature and rights.

You don’t think the source of what you’re presenting is important?

If the information is the truth, the source doesn't matter.

You knew that though, right?

now now now be fair to annee .

she has a point about the credibility of a source

but to be fair what she did was ignore that the issue brought up can be verified so the source credibility is (outside of motive) not relevant

if (and only if) the information given could not be verified and this was the only source.. then she has a point.

or the source is known for outright lying like oh snoops fact checking .


scrounger

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: scrounger

There have always been assholes.
Did I ever tell you about Stanford in 1972? Now is no different. Except that most of the music sucks. Hot Tuna isn't playing Winterland. Or anywhere, come to think of it.
www.wolfgangs.com...

i grew up in the 70s and 80s (college in late 80s) so I got to see the decline in overall music.

most of the artist today if it were not for someone writing their music and auto tune would be laughed out of the venue.

add to it alot today you can clearly see (or at least have some question) they are lip syncing their concerts.

to put it bluntly they could not write their songs or carry a tone in a bucket.

scrounger

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AnnihilateThis

originally posted by: Annee
Uh, ya think maybe there’s bias in the article you’ve selected?

“Campus Reform, a project of the Leadership Institute, is America’s leading site for college news.

As a conservative watchdog to the nation’s higher education system, Campus Reform exposes liberal bias and abuse on the nation’s college campuses.”

www.campusreform.org...

As I mentioned in the post, I do not know who or what Campus Reform is. However based on observation, I see this mindset being shared among a good chunk of the youth.

I think I began shaking my head a few years ago when "Safe Spaces" became a thing.

I have no bias in politics one way or another, I believe it's all garbage anyways. Crap's out of the hands of the individual, and no matter what rich old stooge takes office for our nation, we will be subjected to more pain and dismantling of our core human nature and rights.

You don’t think the source of what you’re presenting is important?

If the information is the truth, the source doesn't matter.

You knew that though, right?

now now now be fair to annee .

she has a point about the credibility of a source

but to be fair what she did was ignore that the issue brought up can be verified so the source credibility is (outside of motive) not relevant

if (and only if) the information given could not be verified and this was the only source.. then she has a point.

or the source is known for outright lying like oh snoops fact checking .


scrounger

Opinion pieces can not be absolute.

a reply to: scrounger

I care about the source as much as I care about the person writing it...Zero.

I only care about the information contained.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AnnihilateThis

originally posted by: Annee
Uh, ya think maybe there’s bias in the article you’ve selected?

“Campus Reform, a project of the Leadership Institute, is America’s leading site for college news.

As a conservative watchdog to the nation’s higher education system, Campus Reform exposes liberal bias and abuse on the nation’s college campuses.”

www.campusreform.org...

As I mentioned in the post, I do not know who or what Campus Reform is. However based on observation, I see this mindset being shared among a good chunk of the youth.

I think I began shaking my head a few years ago when "Safe Spaces" became a thing.

I have no bias in politics one way or another, I believe it's all garbage anyways. Crap's out of the hands of the individual, and no matter what rich old stooge takes office for our nation, we will be subjected to more pain and dismantling of our core human nature and rights.

You don’t think the source of what you’re presenting is important?

If the information is the truth, the source doesn't matter.

You knew that though, right?

now now now be fair to annee .

she has a point about the credibility of a source

but to be fair what she did was ignore that the issue brought up can be verified so the source credibility is (outside of motive) not relevant

if (and only if) the information given could not be verified and this was the only source.. then she has a point.

or the source is known for outright lying like oh snoops fact checking .


scrounger

Opinion pieces can not be absolute.

now this is an "opinion piece "

no it is what they said and believe.

along with others.

its YOUR OPINION that they are not saying what they are.

btw now your speaking for them?

in any case what EXACTLY from this article is wrong..

you still havent said just arguing the source

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

Yeah. But what does it really have to do with "Giving up first amendment rights?" I mean, the pop music my parents listened to was just stupid;

Down in the meadow in a little bitty pool
Swam three little fishies and a mama fishie too
"Swim" said the mama fishie, "Swim if you can"
And they swam and they swam all over the dam



Mares eat oats and does eat oats,
And little lambs eat ivy,
A kid will eat ivy too,
Wouldn’t you?


Neil Young is doing pretty well, btw.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: scrounger

You're talking to a boomer. You know; Vietnam, civil rights, that sort of thing. Best music. Ever.

My daughter is no idiot. Trust me. She's learned from me and she has taught me some things. And she totally digs my record collection.

I find it peculiar that the term "Boomer" has become a derogatory term for our elders essentially. It's been turned into a meme that essentially teaches kids to disregard any information that goes against their naive beliefs, from individuals who actually have the experience.

I wont say that all "Boomers" have something of value to share, but it is strange how things are shaping up.

I am a record collector as well, I really do love my music, and again, most of it is from your youth.

Real big fan of the Blues especially .

a reply to: AnnihilateThis

i call this the "daycare generation"

if you go to any daycare facility, watch how the children interact. you will see the same tantrums in a lot of the people out today. only this time it's on a larger stage.

tantrum = getting what you want