Silent No Longer

a reply to: CIAGypsy

Can't argue with anything you said. I think its time to just start to refuse to listen to anything they say or tell us to do. And we have to begin to start toppling government agencies and institutions, not statues.

a reply to: whereislogic

Look...this thread is not about the CIA. I used a discussion about the psychological profile of CIA personnel as an example of a model for individuals within a compartment who deal with critical and sensitive issues. The model can be applied to other similar situations, such as Globalist agenda.

It is clear to me from your posts that you are bought into the collectivism, socialist, globalist concept. So be it....that's your choice and right. My problem with your agenda is that the people at the center of coup attempt to institute their ideology in secret through subversion and stealth rather than openly debating their beliefs in the court of public opinion and then accepting defeat when the masses reject it. Why? Because it has been rejected every time.

So, they create a series of rings. Those rings are tasked to with the takeover of power centers of society - government, media, employment, education, etc. Many of the people working within those rings have no clue about the real agenda....just as I mentioned about the average worker bee in the CIA. They think they are fighting to protect their country....it is only a select few at the top who know and understand the real agenda.

It is only once the system has been completely destabilized and undermined that they intend to come in like a savior on a white horse and offer the "security and protection" of their system. What they aren't going to tell you is that they are the ones who created the chaos to begin with....

Well, I will be silent no longer. I will not submit any longer. I will tell and show people what is happening. You can choose to listen. You can choose to argue and debate. You can chose to ignore it. But I and others like me will not go away. ATS is just a little blip on the map. Yet there are people watching this exchange of words with great interest.... Maybe I will make a difference. Maybe I won't.

The first step in exorcising a demon is to call him by his name. Acknowledgement is a powerful tool.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

The difference occurs when the changes being covertly instituted are meant to rob us of individual freedoms and civil liberty under the guise of collectivism and socialism. These ideals are fundamentally against the founding of this country and what has made it great.

Ayn Rand, in her definition of this collectivist thinking, wrote: “Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group—whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called ‘the common good.’”

Sounds like quite a few politicians out there right now, eh? It is a trap. It is a bait and switch method that has been very successful over decades in removing liberties but has been overwhelmingly used in the past 4 months. It works against the psychological nature of people to want to be helpful and empathetic to real dangers and truths around us. But the US Constitution wasn't built on "common good," it was built on individual freedom.

The Constitution was written to limit the power of government over the people. Collectivism and socialism give power over people by those who determine what is for the "common good."

a reply to: CIAGypsy

this thread is not about the CIA. I used a discussion about the psychological profile of CIA personnel as an example of a model for individuals within a compartment who deal with critical and sensitive issues. The model can be applied to other similar situations, such as Globalist agenda.

Watch Ex-CIA Agent Blow Agency's Pedo-Pushing Involvement Wide Open!!


To help end the silence, what is more important money or ethics? The reputation of the CIA has been protecting the money end of town. Hillary's policy compass is pretty clear, show me the money. Her popularity does show this to be a fairly effective way to govern policy, almost made president. A lot of people are upset with the implications of a purely greed driven approach to politics so we have Trump.

a reply to: kwakakev

I will address this (or the general concept of it) in a dossier that I am hoping to present in the near future.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

Very well stated throughout the thread!

Making something "global" is simply not the same as the colloquial term "globalism." I prefer technocracy/technofascist to reduce conflation.

Im actually a big fan of global connectivity and cooperation. Of course, that isnt what these folks want.

I certainly hope there are people in some of these agencies that realize the full extent of the threat. I may have had personal experiences that pointed me in the correct direction, but I cant imagine everyone is unaware at those levels.

The "left" and "right" have essentially been made into two ants rubbed together. The "left" being inculcated into the cult of The Monolith and the "right" simply being reactionary to whatever they are shown. What is shown is pretty openly marxist/communist/etc. and while that is absolutely a concern.. there are yet bigger threats that are wearing those social movements like skin-suits.

Im "not a fan" of this plan of mass, total centralized dependency thats in motion. Where literally everything on the planet, including us, is inventoried and controlled by corporate-political entities. Entities that market it all under the duplicitous guise of "sustainability" and "ending poverty." Perpetual funding machines that siphon all the resources in the world, including peoples minds and health, into a form that they alone can control and profit from. Where "experts" are as priests, their word to be taken as Gospel (#Science!), and we simply are told what to think and how to behave on a given day or week. Doing otherwise is Heresy.

I believe the biggest weakness in this plan is that we have the technology to achieve an incredible level of self-sufficiency in our own homes. From food (aquaponics) to power (solar/wind/hydro) to manufacturing (3D printing/CNC/sintered metal printing).

Done on a mass scale, this removes the major points of leverage on which they intend to manipulate the world into compliance. People like me (and perhaps you Gypsy) are at a distinct disadvantage though.. We want to deliver a world of choice, simply a continuation of what was started at the founding of this nation. The technofascists desire to remove personal choice, even to the degree of completely demonizing individual merit.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It's not? A benevolent old man who gives you stuff for just being a nice little kiddie For being obedient?

You do have a point, but I’m inclined to agree with the OP that belief in Santa is not the main culprit in programming. Santa just evolved from old fashioned folk tales. The real programming is through such things as Climate Change programming replacing genuine scientific knowledge, as it’s totally bogus and part of Agenda 21. The Globalists use the Common Core standards to push their agendas. Climate Change is just one of many. Also the schools are promoting social justice warrior behavior actively. Someone else in ats exposed the Sunrise organization which actively recruits school kids as young as 12 yrs of age. This push is part of the BLM movement.
Just the tip of the iceberg.
Also, please remember that Bill Gates was also behind the push for Common Core, buying off the governors association to get the individual states to accept it. He got Prez O to dangle federal money before the states to accept the standards and curriculum because it is traditionally part of states rights to decide the standards and curriculum of their respective populations. States always need money so it was the inroad they used.
Why haven’t thise who hate corporations so much (ie communist activists blm occupy Wall Street Antifa etc) complained about the money of private corporations and interests and more specifically Microsoft and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to pump this kind of money into pushing a globalist agenda into the schools both nationally and internationally? Likely it’s because their handlers forgot to mention it to all the dear little protesters.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

These issues you bring up are issues that have lots and lots of information available for those of us who wish to take a side, either side. ''Im right and you are wrong". Yes, to some degree I see what is going on in our educational system, and yes I can see how these ''opposite'' points of view held by the ''experts'' have the rest of us scrambling to either prove to ourselves which group of ''experts' has it right.
But my over all point is that our entire system, as exemplified by my use of Santa, is askew. Myself I have attempted for most of my life to tread though the falsehoods I, and we,have been presented with as '''truth'. It is a clear impression on my part that the polar positions that we hold today will never be worked out until we fully question our entire history and admit what has been true and what has only been accepted as true. So, ''Santa'' begone.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It's not? A benevolent old man who gives you stuff for just being a nice little kiddie For being obedient?

You do have a point, but I’m inclined to agree with the OP that belief in Santa is not the main culprit in programming. Santa just evolved from old fashioned folk tales. The real programming is through such things as Climate Change programming replacing genuine scientific knowledge, as it’s totally bogus and part of Agenda 21. The Globalists use the Common Core standards to push their agendas. Climate Change is just one of many. Also the schools are promoting social justice warrior behavior actively. Someone else in ats exposed the Sunrise organization which actively recruits school kids as young as 12 yrs of age. This push is part of the BLM movement.
Just the tip of the iceberg.

The UN has appointed itself to be the shepard of our children's education whether we are aware of it or not.

The Organization is the only United Nations agency with a mandate to cover all aspects of education. It has been entrusted to lead the Global Education 2030 Agenda through Sustainable Development Goal 4. The roadmap to achieve this is the Education 2030 Framework for Action (FFA).

UNESCO

originally posted by: fernalley

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It's not? A benevolent old man who gives you stuff for just being a nice little kiddie For being obedient?

You do have a point, but I’m inclined to agree with the OP that belief in Santa is not the main culprit in programming. Santa just evolved from old fashioned folk tales. The real programming is through such things as Climate Change programming replacing genuine scientific knowledge, as it’s totally bogus and part of Agenda 21. The Globalists use the Common Core standards to push their agendas. Climate Change is just one of many. Also the schools are promoting social justice warrior behavior actively. Someone else in ats exposed the Sunrise organization which actively recruits school kids as young as 12 yrs of age. This push is part of the BLM movement.
Just the tip of the iceberg.

The UN has appointed itself to be the shepard of our children's education whether we are aware of it or not.

The Organization is the only United Nations agency with a mandate to cover all aspects of education. It has been entrusted to lead the Global Education 2030 Agenda through Sustainable Development Goal 4. The roadmap to achieve this is the Education 2030 Framework for Action (FFA).

UNESCO

Thank you for posting Fern. It is indeed the globalist agenda, Agenda 21, and the UN, and Bill Gates has used the money of Microsoft and his private charity to promote the globalist agenda through Common Core. Rosa Koire, in her book “Behind the Green Mask”, exposes the use of public/private partnerships to promote climate change agendas and more. Interestingly, those sjw activists such as Occupy Wall Street, Blm, Antifa, and so on have never complained about Gates personal and corporate influence peddling their favorite issues in the schools, as much as they have hated capitalism and private money.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
Don't wait for November.

There you go. The core of the thread. This is apparently too important an issue to be settled in an election.

True, and as much as I like Trump, I’m not too sure he’s up on the underlying conspiracy theories of what is really happening. I think there’s only so much one person can do. Although the alternative sure looks unappetizing to me personally.

The United States and its Constitution are under attack due to the proposition that all men are created equal.

The so-called intelligentsia of the world doesn’t actually believe this. They think they are BETTER than you are, and they will do everything in their power to show you why and keep you in your place.

That’s what Socialism and Communism actually support - the tenet of ‘From each according to his ability, to each according to his need’ implies some inherent inequality between people. And while the fluffy talk says that this would result in a more fair and just society, what it really means is a society where it is impossible to change your destiny. There’s no such thing as rags to riches with Communism - the best you can do is be lucky enough to be at the right place at the right time and know the right people.

Make no mistake - the ruling class desperately wants to return to the days of nobility and serfs. They don’t serve in the best interests of their people.

What you are seeing now is the curtain being pulled back and their BS being exposed. Without the distractions of television and movies, sport and consumerism, people are waking up all over the world. Not everyone - some don’t want to leave the cocoons they are in, because thinking for yourself means you have to take responsibility for your opinions. But enough people to make a difference.

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

The difference occurs when the changes being covertly instituted are meant to rob us of individual freedoms and civil liberty under the guise of collectivism and socialism. These ideals are fundamentally against the founding of this country and what has made it great.

Ayn Rand, in her definition of this collectivist thinking, wrote: “Collectivism means the subjugation of the individual to a group—whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism holds that man must be chained to collective action and collective thought for the sake of what is called ‘the common good.’”

Sounds like quite a few politicians out there right now, eh? It is a trap. It is a bait and switch method that has been very successful over decades in removing liberties but has been overwhelmingly used in the past 4 months. It works against the psychological nature of people to want to be helpful and empathetic to real dangers and truths around us. But the US Constitution wasn't built on "common good," it was built on individual freedom.

The Constitution was written to limit the power of government over the people. Collectivism and socialism give power over people by those who determine what is for the "common good."

yes! Thank you thank you thank you. Great posting and great thread.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So, what are some ideas?

I mean.. when an attempted marxist/communist revolution with political/corporate complicity isnt the biggest issue at hand.. weve got a serious problem!

Awareness can help, but it involves a level a ideological conversion that will meet with pushback. Meaning, many have been initiated into the Cult of the Monolith already ("how could you be against sustainability?!" "How can they be fascist if they call themselves anti-fascist?!" etc.), and many of those that havent are solely focused on "the commies."

Obviously, I have my own ideas, but I think that the markers for increased success in this conflict will need to be apolitical and outside the Narrative. Importantly, the Narrative is designed to control both those who buy into it and those that reject it.

Even without specific ideas, what premise and foundation do you think is important to effectively fight back in this modern form of war & conflict?

Hegelian Dialectic

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
a reply to: whereislogic

It is only once the system has been completely destabilized and undermined that they intend to come in like a savior on a white horse and offer the "security and protection" of their system. What they aren't going to tell you is that they are the ones who created the chaos to begin with....



The first step in exorcising a demon is to call him by his name. Acknowledgement is a powerful tool.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
Don't wait for November.

There you go. The core of the thread. This is apparently too important an issue to be settled in an election.

True, and as much as I like Trump, I’m not too sure he’s up on the underlying conspiracy theories of what is really happening. I think there’s only so much one person can do. Although the alternative sure looks unappetizing to me personally.

I am sure Trump has little use for the UN and is aware how insideous they are. After all he pulled out of the Paris Agreement, refused to sign the Global Compact of Immigration and Compact of Refugees and defunded the WHO. He also snubbed the 2020 Davos globalist meeting.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

What lacks is strong leadership with solid defined goals.

Without that it's just chaos.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

Oh, and Deja Vu

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
a reply to: whereislogic

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It is clear to me from your posts that you are bought into the collectivism, socialist, globalist concept.

I haven't, but all this conspiracy talk about globalism functions as a nice distraction from what I mentioned concerning the dangers and negative harmful effects of nationalism and patriotism. And the compatibility of those with certain forms of globalism, collectivism and socialism. As mentioned before, nationalism and patriotism are not opposed to or the opposite of globalism. Nor are they good counters. The same counts for capitalism.

a reply to: CIAGypsy

That and look at how our entire education system is being disrupted. Our kids will be denied an effective education, or at least millions in poorer areas will be. They won't be learning with classrooms being restricted, social activities will be disrupted, athletic programs halted. Most kids today won't benefit from online education programs, their parents just don't have the dedication and responsibility to make them participate. So are we to have an entire generation of ignoramuses who won't have the ability to pursue higher learning, but instead will be content to accept ' universal pay", $2,000 a month to do nothing but sit around and watch videos and play games on the Nintendo?