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The Job Numbers: Can we unite and conclude that President Obama/Trump created a strong economy

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posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 08:17 PM
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Something I'm seeing quite often in the news media, YouTube and ATS is the huge credit given to President Trump for the low unemployment numbers. While the president should get credit for the numbers, I believe a large amount should be given to President Obama as well. Every time I hear someone praise President Trump solely for the low numbers it drives me crazy because I can't see what they're seeing. I collected some numbers from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics and can only conclude the following

1. At the start of President Obama second term unemployment was at 7.9% and at the end of his presidency it was 4.7%. That is a drop of 3.2%
2. At the start of President Trump first term unemployment was at 4.8% and at the end of December 2019 it was at 3.5%. That is a drop of 1.3%
3. The last 3 years of President Obama presidency he created a total of 7,517,000
4. The first 3 years of President Trump presidency he created a total of 6,366,000

Notes:
1. I didn't include Obama first term as he felt it inherited a recession
2. I didn't include Trump 2020 numbers as the spike is due to the corona virus and it wouldn't be fair

Summary:

The way I see it, both Obama and Trump should be given equal credit for the great economy. If you look at the numbers you can see that its pretty much a steady decrease from Obama and into Trump. Also, if you at the average of jobs created, you see that not much changed between Obama and Trump. To me, it looks like a continuation with no serious improvements. The analogy that comes to mind is President Obama standing at the top of a hill and dropped a ball (unemployment numbers). The ball keeps rolling down and Trump walks by and see's the ball rolling down and gives it a kick as well. Am I missing something, please let me know what I'm missing. We need to have more civil discussion as the country is heavily divided due to the passion we have for our candidates. Can we agree that both Obama and Trump created the economy?

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

January 2013: increased by 157,000. Unemployment at 7.9 percent
February 2013: increased by 236,000. Unemployment at 7.7 percent
March 2013: increased by 88,000. Unemployment at 7.6 percent
April 2013: increased by 165,000. Unemployment at 7.5 percent
May 2013: increased by 175,000. Unemployment at 7.6 percent
June 2013: increased by 195,000. Unemployment at 7.6 percent
July 2013: increased by 162,000. Unemployment to 7.4 percent
August 2013: increased by 169,000. Unemployment at 7.3 percent
September 2013: increased by 148,000. Unemployment at 7.2 percent
October 2013: increased by 204,000. Unemployment at 7.3 percent
November 2013: increased by 203,000. Unemployment at 7.0 percent
December 2013: increased by 74,000. Unemployment at 6.7 percent

January 2014: increased by 113,000. Unemployment at 6.6 percent
February 2014: increased by 175,000. Unemployment at 6.7 percent
March 2014: increased by 192,000. Unemployment at 6.7 percent
April 2014: increased by 288,000. Unemployment at 6.3 percent
May 2014: increased by 217,000. Unemployment at 6.3 percent
June 2014: increased by 288,000. Unemployment at 6.1 percent
July 2014: increased by 209,000. Unemployment at 6.2 percent
August 2014: increased by 142,000. Unemployment at 6.1 percent
September 2014: increased by 248,000. Unemployment at 5.9 percent
October 2014: increased by 214,000. Unemployment at 5.8 percent
November 2014: increased by 321,000. Unemployment at 5.8 percent
December 2014: increased by 252,000. Unemployment at 5.6 percent

January 2015: increased by 257,000. Unemployment at 5.7 percent
February 2015: increased by 295,000. Unemployment at 5.5 percent
March 2015: increased by 126,000. Unemployment at 5.5 percent
April 2015: increased by 223,000. Unemployment at 5.4 percent
May 2015: increased by 280,000. Unemployment at 5.5 percent
June 2015: increased by 223,000. Unemployment at 5.3 percent
July 2015: increased by 215,000. Unemployment at 5.3 percent
August 2015: increased by 173,000. Unemployment at 5.1 percent
September 2015: increased by 142,000. Unemployment at 5.1 percent
October 2015: increased by 271,000. Unemployment at 5.0 percent
November 2015: increased by 211,000. Unemployment at 5.0 percent
December 2015: increased by 292,000. Unemployment at 5.0 percent

January 2016: Increased by 151,000. Unemployment at 4.9 percent
February 2016: increased by 242,000. Unemployment at 4.9 percent
March 2016: increased by 215,000. Unemployment at 5.0 percent
April 2016: increased by 160,000. Unemployment at 5.0 percent
May 2016: increased by 38,000. Unemployment at 4.7 percent
June 2016: increased by 287,000. Unemployment at 4.9 percent
July 2016: increased by 255,000. Unemployment at 4.9 percent
August 2016: increased by 151,000. Unemployment at 4.9 percent
September 2016: increased by 156,000. Unemployment at 5.0 percent
October 2016: increased by 161,000. Unemployment at 4.9 percent
November 2016: increased by 178,000. Unemployment at 4.6 percent
December 2016: Increased by 156,000. Unemployment at 4.7 percent

January 2017: increased by 227,000. Unemployment at 4.8 percent
February 2017: increased by 235,000. Unemployment at 4.7 percent
March 2017: increased by 98,000. Unemployment at 4.5 percent
April 2017: increased by 211,000. Unemployment at 4.4 percent
May 2017: increased by 138,000. Unemployment at 4.3 percent
June 2017: increased by 222,000. Unemployment at 4.4 percent
July 2017: increased by 209,000. Unemployment at 4.3 percent
August 2017: increased by 156,000. Unemployment at 4.4 percent
September 2017: decreased by -33,000. Unemployment at 4.2 percent
October 2017: increased by 261,000. Unemployment edged at 4.1 percent
November 2017: increased by 228,000. Unemployment at 4.1 percent
December 2017: increased by 148,000. Unemployment at 4.1 percent

January 2018: increased by 200,000. Unemployment at 4.1 percent
February 2018: increased by 313,000. Unemployment at 4.1 percent
March 2018: increased by 103,000. Unemployment at 4.1 percent
April 2018: increased by 164,000. Unemployment at 3.9 percent
May 2018: increased by 223,000. Unemployment at 3.8 percent
June 2018: increased by 213,000. Unemployment at 4.0 percent
July 2018: increased by 157,000. Unemployment at 3.9 percent
August 2018: increased by 201,000. Unemployment at 3.9 percent
September 2018: increased by 134,000. Unemployment at 3.7 percent
October 2018: increased by 250,000. Unemployment at 3.7 percent
November 2018: increased by 155,000. Unemployment at 3.7 percent
December 2018: increased by 312,000. Unemployment at 3.9 percent

January 2019: increased by 304,000. Unemployment at 4.0 percent
February 2019: increased by 20,000. Unemployment at 3.8 percent
March 2019: increased by 196,000. Unemployment at 3.8 percent
April 2019: increased by 263,000. Unemployment at 3.6 percent
May 2019: increased by 75,000. Unemployment at 3.6 percent
June 2019: increased by 224,000. Unemployment at 3.7 percent
July 2019: increased by 164,000. Unemployment at 3.7 percent
August 2019: Increased by 130,000. Unemployment at 3.7 percent
September 2019: Increased by 136,000. Unemployment at 3.5 percent
October 2019: increased by 128,000. Unemployment at 3.6 percent
November 2019: increased by 266,000. Unemployment at 3.5 percent
December 2019: Increased by 145,000. Unemployment at 3.5 percent



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posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: walkinghomer

Exactly what policies of Obama's do you believe encouraged job creation?



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn
Was it food stamps? Someone had to print all those millions of stamps.



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 08:54 PM
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Liberal Governors (mostly) get credit for the current comeback, since they're the ones who phucked us all over during the Spring.



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: walkinghomer

Exactly what policies of Obama's do you believe encouraged job creation?


That's a fair question but if you put policies aside for a second. The numbers are about the same. The core of my post was the numbers. I don't want to stray too far away from the core as it will roll into a completely different topic. To answer your question though the one that comes to mind is the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA)



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: watchitburn
Was it food stamps? Someone had to print all those millions of stamps.


Come on. Focus on the numbers. Why is it his job creation numbers matches what Trump created and the numbers went down under him. Try to be fair for a second



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Liberal Governors (mostly) get credit for the current comeback, since they're the ones who phucked us all over during the Spring.


I know you're a passionate supporter of President Trump but for a second, Can you explain why the job creation numbers under Obama was slightly better than under Trump. Why did the unemployment numbers continue under the trend of Obama. If Trump was this amazing job creator shouldn't we see a HUGE spike to show that he made a significant impact?



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: walkinghomer



That's a fair question but if you put policies aside for a second


I object your honor.
This post was meant to lead the witness.

Policies ARE one of the major reasons.



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: walkinghomer

I agree with you but some, if not most, people on ATS nowadays hate Obama and don't want to see him painted into any positive picture(s) so good luck with this thread.



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: walkinghomer



That's a fair question but if you put policies aside for a second


I object your honor.
This post was meant to lead the witness.

Policies ARE one of the major reasons.




I did say for a second and did include a policy. Still though, why is his numbers better and why did the growth start under him and never went back up, just kept going down and down and down?



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:07 PM
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posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: walkinghomer



That's a fair question but if you put policies aside for a second


I object your honor.
This post was meant to lead the witness.

Policies ARE one of the major reasons.


It's not always easy to see. 'policies' when it comes to economics.



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: walkinghomer

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: watchitburn
Was it food stamps? Someone had to print all those millions of stamps.


Come on. Focus on the numbers. Why is it his job creation numbers matches what Trump created and the numbers went down under him. Try to be fair for a second


Be cause Obama was cooking the books with new ways to calculate the numbers like not counting those who had drooped out of the job market due to lack of jobs.
www.washingtontimes.com...
edit on 4-7-2020 by PhilbertDezineck because: add link



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: walkinghomer

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: watchitburn
Was it food stamps? Someone had to print all those millions of stamps.


Come on. Focus on the numbers. Why is it his job creation numbers matches what Trump created and the numbers went down under him. Try to be fair for a second


Be cause Obama was cooking the books with new ways to calculate the numbers like not counting those who had drooped out of the job market due to lack of jobs.



Can you please include a source for that and show that the metrics used with Obama is different from Trump?



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

ding ding ding BINGO



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: walkinghomer
just added link. here it is again
www.washingtontimes.com...



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: walkinghomer
just added link. here it is again
www.washingtontimes.com...



Thanks for adding that. So lets just say that someone was fudging the numbers for Obama as per your article dated January 9th 2012. The same people reporting the numbers hasn't changed so are we still seeing fudged numbers under Trump? Did the numbers automatically turn correct starting January 2017?

The hypocrisy of Trump’s jobs claims
edit on 4-7-2020 by walkinghomer because: (no reason given)


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posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: walkinghomer

I’ve worked in the employment industry for over 20 years.
When Obama was president people were looking for employers...
After trump was elected Employers were looking for people...

The truth from the trenches..



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: walkinghomer

I’ve worked in the employment industry for over 20 years.
When Obama was president people were looking for employers...
After trump was elected Employers were looking for people...

The truth from the trenches..


Thanks for the input and that may very well be correct but what about the numbers. He still had better Job growth that Trump.



posted on Jul, 4 2020 @ 09:47 PM
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The numbers are misleading. Under obama we lost good paying full time jobs and replaced them with low paying part time or full time jobs. At the end of the obama administration there were more people underemployed and at or below the poverty line than ever before in this country. So yes, obama created a lot of low paying jobs. But only after losing just as many high paying jobs. And no one can debate the numbers for african-americans, unemployment has never been lower than it is now under Trump.



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