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Remote Viewing The Travis Walton Case?

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posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: orbhunterx
I'd like to know if anyone knows of a serious effort to remote view the Travis Walton UFO abduction, specifically in regards to who the aliens are and what they were doing, besides healing Travis from the blast?
So did someone use pseudoscience to investigate what the pro-UFO organization named "Ground Saucer Watch" thought was a hoax based on their first-on-the-scene investigation, is what you're really asking. OMG what a question.

You can find out lots more about the Walton case in the attached link than you will ever find out through remote viewing:

Skeptical Information on the Travis Walton "UFO Abduction" Story


It's a very bitchy link, isn't it, Arby?


I love the Walton case; it's one of only a handful or so of cases that still befuddle me, and what an epic it is, if not THE epic UFO story of all time. Which, of course, means it attracts even higher amounts of flak than usual, despite Walton himself never once wavering from his curiously believable demeanour over the past 45 years.

I wrote a thread about the case last year that specifically focused on the other witnesses other than Walton, or rather the FIVE witnesses who are not generally regarded as having been 'in' on a potential hoax perpetrated by Travis and Mike Rogers. The details of Walton's recollections on board a UFO have never really interested me, but the notion that he and Mike Rogers organised a fake UFO abduction and prolonged disappearance without the others' knowledge is a fascinating and entertaining notion in itself!

Putting aside all the controversial elements connected with the Travis family, associated UFO interests (how sceptics love to throw mud at folks who have the affrontery to admit that), his mother's lack of concern, the hypnosis sessions, and the notion of avoiding a breach of work contract etc... putting ALL that aside, we still have five witnesses who saw something very strange occur to their colleague Travis. If we assume such 'strangeness' was deliberately constructed by Travis and Rogers, it's a rather unique feat in the annals of ufology, even putting aside any long-term disappearance with Travis presumably hiding somewhere.

That these five guys (and Rogers as an assumed co-hoaxer with Travis) were genuine murder suspects for a few days, the genuine trauma resulting from such allegations should not be discounted lightly by sceptics. It would also paint Walton and Rogers as cruel, unfeeling bastards of the highest order to place their colleagues in such a position, whatever any inner disagreements or conflicts there may have been between them.

It's an element of the story that even Klass must have raised a confused eyebrow over, and which even a happy-clappy picture of the gang holding a cheque does not easily explain. Those five men are not stars of ufology... and I suspect they are relieved that's the case, but the question remains: did Walton and Rogers really go to all that length to dupe the others?

As Karl Pflock opined in one of the linked articles:


"I hasten to add that, while I think a hoax is possible, I have not made up my mind about the case."


One notion doing the rounds is that this was potentially a military abduction (there was military activity in the area at the time of the incident) - a theory that the Betty and Barney Hill case from 14 years earlier is not a stranger to. Hmmmm.

Fun, though, innit?




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posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 03:54 PM
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Travis was gone for five days and yet in the hospital nor did his blood work show any indication of fasting. I guess the aliens kept him well fed.
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posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: bluemooone2
Travis was gone for five days and yet in the hospital nor did his blood work show any indication of fasting. I guess the aliens kept him well fed.

Lots of barbecued cattle parts.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
what an epic it is, if not THE epic UFO story of all time.
Is it a UFO story though? Did you listen to the calls to the national UFO reporting center that Kandinsky posted in your thread? The call said what they saw was a light, close to the ground.

One of the witnesses mentioned he thought it might be something related to a deer stand at first, didn't he? That would be something attached to a tree, not flying. So if I missed the witness testimony that they actually saw something flying, please point it out. The closest I saw was when they drove away (the chickens, or maybe just the decision of the alleged co-hoaxer Rogers and the rest were along for the ride), they looked back and thought they saw a light moving through the trees, but that's not really definitive that anything was flying.

So instead of a "UFO case" maybe it's a "light, close to the ground, in the forest, which could have been on a deer stand for all I know" case.

There were some other odd calls, like the call from Travis's brother who said Travis wouldn't hoax, he's intelligent with a high IQ. Does that make any sense? Seems like that added statement is more convincing that he COULD pull off a hoax if he wanted to, if he has a high IQ. It's people with a low IQ that I'd expect to have problems pulling off a convincing hoax.

And then there was yet another caller who clearly wanted to believe the story, and did believe it early on when Travis first re-appeared. But that phone calls seems to document that Travis possibly lied about why he wouldn't talk to the scientists at Phenomena research anymore, because they wouldn't cut Travis in on the profits they would make writing their book. The response was that Phenomena research had been doing research for 20 years and never wrote a single book yet, and that's not what they do. So Travis's whole reason for not talking to them because of not cutting him on on book profits seems fictitious since they don't write any books and they confirmed that on the phone call.

So, whether Travis was telling the truth about anything else or not, the NUFORC recording seems to show he wasn't being truthful about the "book". So the caller who wanted to believe and did believe, who was very close to the case, indicated that and other things indicated him the case was falling apart and not so believable anymore.

So, while I don't think anybody doubts the "innocent" 5 witnesses other than Walton and possibly Rogers, what did they really see? A UFO? Or as the caller to the UFO hot line said, a "light, close to the ground"?


associated UFO interests (how sceptics love to throw mud at folks who have the affrontery to admit that)..
You could apply that to Klass, but GSW was said to be a "pro-UFO" organization, who pointed that out in their notes, and why do you call it mud if it's factual? GSW said: "2. The entire Walton family has had a continual UFO history. The Walton boys have reported observing 10 to 15 separate UFO sightings (very high)." Is that "mud", or is it just a fact they discovered from which you the reader can draw your own conclusions?


That these five guys (and Rogers as an assumed co-hoaxer with Travis) were genuine murder suspects for a few days, the genuine trauma resulting from such allegations should not be discounted lightly by sceptics.
You seem to be assuming Walton and Rogers predicted the outcome. What if they didn't even consider all the possible consequences? (aside from the prize money they recently heard about for a UFO story which coudl be published, that would be a consequence which would occupy their thoughts). Besides I don't think the murder allegations were that serious, the cops believed the witnesses eventualy after their lie detector tests, right?

Also, what do you think about this, how does this impact the murder allegations you seem so worried about?
Travis Walton’s Alien Abduction Lie Detection Test

His brother Duane confessed: “He’s not even missing. He knows where he’s at, and I know where he’s at.”

(The lie detectors aren't really that helpful due to unreliability, but it's funny to hear Walton say an earlier lie detector test paid for by the Enquirer proves he was telling the truth, when the after lie detection test on TV showed he was lying, at which point he says they can't be trusted. But for those interested in lie detectors the most important one conducted by one of the area's top lie detector professionals is completely ignored by most people, which isn't the one paid for by the national enquirer.)


One notion doing the rounds is that this was potentially a military abduction (there was military activity in the area at the time of the incident) - a theory that the Betty and Barney Hill case from 14 years earlier is not a stranger to. Hmmmm.

Lots of people claim they have been abducted. The Walton case is unique on having extra witnesses who saw a "Light, close to the ground" before a man's "disappearance", but there's no evidence he was abducted. There's no evidence Betty Hill was abducted either. Did you see the letter that Benjamin Simon wrote to Phil Klass, saying that he's sure they made a sighting of something, but he's also sure there was no abduction?

So before I tried to explain any abduction as military, I'd want to see evidence of the abduction, and I have yet to see any good evidence of any abduction. If there really are abductions, now we have places like London with security cameras everywhere, which could possibly give some independent evidence of abductions claims by London residents, if they were really happening, which I expect are not really happening..

edit on 2020722 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Jul, 23 2020 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: bluemooone2

Yes, they also had to make sure he had oxygen or he would have died in seconds.

One of those cases I havent taken the time to look into, is it worth it?
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