Arizona Shutting down again Staring today 6/29/

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: midnightstar


You know , isn't it Amazing How COVID-19 can Still Exist in Over a Hundred Degree Temperature in Arizona in Late June ? I mean , is it a Super Bug or What ? ........Hmm....

Apparently Covid-19 still lives for an hour at 140 degrees. So even on a hot Arizona day like 110 degrees, it isn't quite hot enough to kill it. Maybe inside a hot car which can be 20 degrees higher than the outside temperature.

Covid-19 only dies instantly when heated to 197 degrees Fahrenheit.

Temperature at Which Covid-19 Dies

originally posted by: midnightstar
If it helps I am for mandated mask for every one BUT the ones who REAL health would be worse .
Slow it down alest even if a mask is only 15 % better .

But shutting down again and come fall again and come winter again GAME OVER and NO consultation prises .

Masks did not stop the 1918 Flu Pandemic. Yes, masks were required and worn in 1918.

Los Angeles County enacted a mandatory mask requirement May 13. They only had about 30,000 Covid-19 cases at the time. Now after 45 days of everyone wearing masks, Los Angeles County has 89,490 Covid-19 cases. That's an increase of almost 60,000 cases with people mandated to wear masks for 45 days.

Cloth masks do not protect against Covid-19. Those little blue and white surgical masks everywhere only offer about 70% protection. The only mask which fully protects against Covid is the N-95 which is reserved for medical personnel.

a reply to: MapMistress

Masks are a sign of submission to government authority. FBI Director WRAY said China has infiltrated America is ways we're still learning about. That country could be controlling the politicians/medical people/Media heads, who keep ramping up the pressure for everyone to wear masks.

Pelosi and Biden said they want to make it a federal law that everyone must wear a mask outside the house. Just evil people trying to see how far they can push the citizens who put and keep them in power.

The mask push is way late, and out of proportion, when you consider that the number of U.S. deaths from Covid-19 have been plummeting since early May. Deaths are what really matter. Not "cases".

ARIZONA has 7.2 million residents.

I don't see anything on the official Arizona Covid-19 "current status" webpage that warrants a SHUT DOWN.

Here: www.azdhs.gov...

Can anyone find where there are so many of the 7 million Arizonians hospitalized, that drastic lock-down measures must be taken?

You complain your governor is a republican and about poor economy... Democrats don’t do economics well either look at California’s debt... a reply to: midnightstar

Dang, NYC has more than double the people than the state of Arizona for perspective.

a reply to: carewemust

originally posted by: Rob808
Dang, NYC has more than double the people than the state of Arizona for perspective.

a reply to: carewemust

I don't know about NY/NYC - - but, AZ has a large Latino & Native America population - - both having mistrust in government.

And culturally they live in multi-generrational homes. So, you've got babies, grandparents, great grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc all living together. If one gets sick, it can spread easily.

Then you have the Snowbird transplants living in close proximaty to each other with a close knit social group living style. The Snowbirds are mostly white seniors and Republican.

(of course there are other every day folk and the military - - in case anyone wants to bring that up)

Interestingly, the ones I have seen not wearing a mask have been senior white women and those in their late 20s & 30s.

dp

originally posted by: DanDanDat
Shutting down again now is a major mistake these governments are going to regret big time.

All indications are that there will be a major resurgence of the virus during the next flue season starting next fall

These states are going to need a citizenry in fresh shape for lockdowns at that time; if they fatigue their citizens now they are going to have major problems then.

Also, now during the summer (where their is a natural ebb in disease transmission, higher immune responses due to sun and nice weather, and a ebb in other disease) is the time to have an increase in transmission rates. A person getting the disease now is one less getting and transmitting it in the fall.

Young and health people should be encouraged to move around more now, not less. Other measures should still be taken ofcourse, masks, social distancing, in order to not have a runaway effect. Older and ill people should be encouraged to self isolated as they see fit.

Shortsightedness and political pandering will be our undoing.

I’m not so sure about the Summer/sun helping quell the virus. It’s been in the 80’s and 90’s here in South Florida since January, it’s about 10 degrees hotter now and we’re blowing up with cases down here. This is why I scoffed at remarks about the sun coming along to kill it in it’s tracks.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: midnightstar


You know , isn't it Amazing How COVID-19 can Still Exist in Over a Hundred Degree Temperature in Arizona in Late June ? I mean , is it a Super Bug or What ? ........Hmm....

Well for one thing, the Flu will not survive for long at that heat. Guess this isn't the flu.

originally posted by: MapMistress

originally posted by: midnightstar
If it helps I am for mandated mask for every one BUT the ones who REAL health would be worse .
Slow it down alest even if a mask is only 15 % better .

But shutting down again and come fall again and come winter again GAME OVER and NO consultation prises .

Masks did not stop the 1918 Flu Pandemic. Yes, masks were required and worn in 1918.

Los Angeles County enacted a mandatory mask requirement May 13. They only had about 30,000 Covid-19 cases at the time. Now after 45 days of everyone wearing masks, Los Angeles County has 89,490 Covid-19 cases. That's an increase of almost 60,000 cases with people mandated to wear masks for 45 days.

Cloth masks do not protect against Covid-19. Those little blue and white surgical masks everywhere only offer about 70% protection. The only mask which fully protects against Covid is the N-95 which is reserved for medical personnel.

Civilians can still buy N95’s if they can find them. DMB Supply currently has them. I haven’t run out of them yet for myself or my staff and we’re not in the medical field. (Building management).

a reply to: Drucifer

Well.. Heres the deal:

1) The tests absolutely can not be trusted

2) There are massive discrepancies in numbers (both cases & deaths) between localities, counties, facilites and what the Dept of Health and CDC are reporting.

3) Downtrends in deaths during warmer seasons is well tracked for decades. It doesnt mean elimination of illness, rather reduction in severity, etc. i.e. People still get colds/flus in the summer, and all else being equal, we will see a reduction in cases.

4) Normal human movement & general health play an immense role in all of this. Everything from protests/riots to extended periods of high stress will increase general cases of illness as well as severity.

The data, research, and general information on all of this is easily accessible and readily available (for now). In the past decade or two, we have learned a lot.. from how seasonal flora/carbon beneficially impacts human illness to how pollution has a dramatic negative impact (both through compromising immune systems as well as pathogen density in the atmosphere).

Now, through mass amounts of immune compromising, virus interference, and the like.. We can actually flatten the normal seasonal curve in the other direction. Where anomalous human movement patterns, weakening the medical system, compromised health from a myriad of vectors, and even outright stress can raise the trough we normally see in warmer months for all illness (not just SARS-CoV-2).

originally posted by: midnightstar
FOR JUST ONCE ATS coudl we talk about teh ISSUES instead of pointing Fingers while there may still be some kind of chance we THE people OF the United States OF america Can say We the people of the united states of america .

Playing around in mudpit both sides talking trash is one thing this goes as far as it is looking to go there will be Nothing left except the cold reality of money being worthless and store shelves being empty .

“The issues”. You mean like a full lockdown of the country? Mandating wearing masks, paused reopenings, and full shutdowns all over again because infections to rise based on erroneous CDC numbers, and various other things showing this virus is a non issue? All by largely democrat ran areas? Yes, please. Lets focus on those issues so we can return to somewhat of a semblance of normalcy. First time in my life i’ve witnessed the left literally tearing down a global superpower country just to push it’s agenda. If you want to talk about real issues, how about we talk about the erosion of history that is going on? How about we talk about we talk about the erosion of our civil and constitutional rights right before our very eyes. How about we talk about the erosion of an actual Constitutional Republic happening BY THE MINUTE. But no. We will not talk about that because we are supposed to be grown ups and just take whatever is coming and accept it. Anyone who defies what we grew up with, what we love, what we enjoy on a daily basis , we’re supposed to throw in the trash and forget about it.

I, for one, most certainly will not do so. I literally fought(OIF ‘07-08, OIF ‘09-10) to protect this country and everything it was founded upon. And i will continue to do so until my dying breath. So please, tell me, what are your opinions on the “real issues” at hand, that are perpetruated by both sides and not just the liberal/progressive/communist/socialist/everything wrong with america left?

Don't believe the COVID-19 hysteria from the Arizona mainstream media and the left.

COVID-19 is serious, and we do have to take precautions - especially to protect our older population.

But the reporting of data out of Arizona has not allowed Arizonans to have a true picture of what is happening in our state.

➡️ Yesterday, there was a RECORD number of daily Arizona hospital discharges of COVID-19 patients.

(Where did you hear that in the news today?)

● There have been almost 4,900 hospital discharges in Arizona since June 1.

➡️ The percent of COVID-19 cases hospitalized in Arizona continues to fall - it is now at 5.75%.

● Remember - almost three weeks ago, it was at 11%.

➡️ The total mortality rate has fallen again to 2.05%.

● On June 1, this number was 4.43%.

➡️ Last week, the CDC estimated that the United States may only be identifying 1/10 of positive COVID-19 cases.

● IF that estimation is applied to ARIZONA, the percent of positive COVID-19 cases hospitalized would be .58%;

● and the mortality rate would be .20%.

➡️ And yesterday, the number of Arizona ICU beds occupied by COVID-19 patients dropped slightly.

Facts > Fear. No exceptions.

originally posted by: Rob808
Dang, NYC has more than double the people than the state of Arizona for perspective.

a reply to: carewemust

NYC has 8.3 million people as of 2019.

a reply to: staple

Good advice. One thing Covid-19 has made people most aware of (i hope!) is how many senior citizens are killed every year by pneumonia, Flu, even common colds. Now Covid-19 is added to the list of threats.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
its next to impossible to get a test here now.

It took me 3 days to find a test.

and I probably have it right now, awaiting my results...

My boss and people at work are worried about their kids and families. They think we opened too soon.

In Tucson you can go to your local Walgreens and do a drive through test in 20 minutes. I can't see how what you're saying is true. Everyone I know thinks masks are dumb, and are tired of being told to stay inside by daddy government.

Testing is also free forgot to mention that

originally posted by: AlbinoSaguaro

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
its next to impossible to get a test here now.

It took me 3 days to find a test.

and I probably have it right now, awaiting my results...

My boss and people at work are worried about their kids and families. They think we opened too soon.

In Tucson you can go to your local Walgreens and do a drive through test in 20 minutes. I can't see how what you're saying is true. Everyone I know thinks masks are dumb, and are tired of being told to stay inside by daddy government.

Testing is also free forgot to mention that

Problem is, masks can be effective. Can be. But human tendencies make them useless. The mandating of them just pisses people off that dont want to or cant wear them. Many masks are ineffective on those with facial hair. Many people who work physically demanding jobs, such as my job, wearing a mask is a bigger threat to my health than not wearing one due to decreased oxygen intake. Wearing a mask, as matter of discretion and need is the right way to go. When the mask interferes with how you go about your daily life, people will wear it improperly to the point of it being completely useless. Then shortages occur where those who actually need it are now at risk. We’ve ramped up production on something we should not have had to, so shortages are not an issue at the moment... but the labor force could’ve been used elsewhere in a manner to get the country being productive again and our economy back on track. If you’re following social distancing and proper hygiene protocols, there is no need for masks as an otherwise young(15-60yo) healthy individual. Absolutely none. And as far as “young” goes, depending upon your level of fitness, young is fairly subjective. I’m in my 30’s, before the shutdowns, i could easily outperform most people in their early 20s in just about any category of fitness. After the shutdowns and gym closures, it became difficult keeping up with my fitness. So now i am greater risk. In all of my life, i’ve been sick to the point of taking a day off work, maybe twice. With a solid diet, weekly excercise routine, and proper hygiene, illnesses dont really affect you all that much. I’d be willing to bet most “asymptomatic carriers” are people like me that are in great shape and watch their diet and overall health anyway.

originally posted by: MapMistress

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: midnightstar


You know , isn't it Amazing How COVID-19 can Still Exist in Over a Hundred Degree Temperature in Arizona in Late June ? I mean , is it a Super Bug or What ? ........Hmm....

Apparently Covid-19 still lives for an hour at 140 degrees. So even on a hot Arizona day like 110 degrees, it isn't quite hot enough to kill it. Maybe inside a hot car which can be 20 degrees higher than the outside temperature.

Covid-19 only dies instantly when heated to 197 degrees Fahrenheit.

Temperature at Which Covid-19 Dies

I'm gonna say it was probably tested it in oil for the high temps, at higher temperatures COVID would survive longer in a oily substance.

Your link said it was tested in different conditions, it wasn't specific about those tests.

Like Texas, I suspect Arizona is fraudulently inflating the COVID-19 cases, where 1 COVID positive counts as 15 positive (untested)... via NIH State recommendations.

originally posted by: Annee
My experience is my experience.

I stand by my evaluation of the political climate of Arizona.

Your belief does not invalidate mine.

You could call it "Your Truth" and call it a day eh?