Theories, speculation and evidence within the ATS UFO forum

Like highvein says, it’s also about personal evidence, and how far people are willing to believe them in the absence of any concrete evidence. Concrete evidence that is almost impossible to get after the fact, if indeed it was a fact at all.

Most here are chasing paper trails, audio/visual trails, trails that have passed through the US intelligence infrastructure. Until we take a braver approach and deal with experiencers at face value - most likely within a statistical ‘dump’ - how can we progress by skirting around the tainted edges? It’s those people who have the nuggets of information that can unlock how we understand it.

Some of the most profound breakthroughs have come from dropping science for a moment and engaging with things on a personal level.

originally posted by: IsaacKoi

originally posted by: schuyler
The atmosphere here is decidedly anti-UFO to the point that any theory is immediately considered "an op," disinformation, or whatever current fancy of the debunkers is.

Well, I could deal with that problem by simply selecting one of the well-known UFO stories where it has turned out after quite a bit of digging that the evidence is reasonably strong (but not yet conclusive) in favour of disinformation - or at least a a hoax by people associated with Government agencies.

I would imagine that a man with your prestige in the field, and on ATS, would get an audience. I personally would consider it an honor, and it would be a nostalgic reminder of the things that brought me to ATS, all those years ago.

People like you.

I recon machine learning could figure out if aliens and ufos are real by using ATS as a dataset.

a reply to: IsaacKoi


Well , According to John Leer , there are over 800 Civilizations Living Below the Earths Surface , some Very Scientifically Advanced , and Over 40 Planets in Our Solar System Alone . He has No Proof of that though , just his Hearsay . Oh , and he also mentioned that the Moon is Made Out of Blue Cheese , not Green .............)

a reply to: IsaacKoi

100% Gut feeling is the best.

If i want to speak my mind about something i just do so.

Shoot a theory, just something that surfaces on your mind, i would like to read it.

For me it's always been:

1- Does the claim sound credible? (the person who reports it doesn't have to be, just the claim it self)

2- Has other people seen or reported the same? (this doesn't have to be friends and family of the person making the report)

3- Is there any evidence to back up the claim? (pictures, videos, any other kind of recording media, or better yet tangible evidence like landing sites or animal remains)

4- Is there any explanation for the claim as it is reported? (finding a basic answer for what may have been a mis-identified or rare event or sighting)

5- Is there any signs of a deliberate HOAX? (is there any signs that the person making the claim is trying to trick others for reasons unknown. These reasons could be disinformation, monetary gains, publicity, even notoriety.)

For me it had always been my personal policy to insist that it pass all five points before making a UAP/UFO claim or report public.

Though you're asking about theories and speculation. I like to have a solid point of view before I present those out there. For instance I think that Aliens that visit Earth are not really smarter then us, but rather just have better technology. My case for this stems from reports about how their craft used to show up (and in some cases still do) on radar, but we here on Earth have found ways to limit that with our own aircraft. Then you have reports of people being abducted and the strange medical procedures conducted on them, leaving many with scars and prolonged health issues, but here on Earth we have MRI, fMRI, CT and CAT scanning technologies. So why are there still reports of Aliens cutting up animals and people?

I mean one thing that's unique about humans is that we are an accident of nature. Had the events of 65million years ago not occurred, we might not have been where we are now. It was through that kind of rough going that forced us to take a very "adapt or die" evolutionary process. If Alien life took a less dramatic evolutionary approach, then they might not have had the same kind of intellect that we have. Sure they may be hundreds of years older than us with better technologies, but they might also be slow of change and invention because of how they evolved.

Again just a theory, but as an example for what I think is needed when presenting one for discussion. You should have a bases for your point of view, a thought out process for why you think such and such, and finally some kind of conclusion that allows for discussion.

So in the end if I want to bring a UAP/OFO report or claim to discussion it needs to meet those five points above, yet if it's a theory or speculation then it need to have a reason for being, a clearly laid out thought process, and a discussable conclusion.