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The political mentality of ATS and its demise

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posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse



Biden is the candidate the left wants. Do you call the fact that Biden has stated he would put O'Reorke in charge of "gun violence." In fact Biden said "Beto will take care of the gun problem."

Biden is not the candidate anybody wants, he could win though, never thought I'd say it. I know you guys can't believe it, but Trump has become that unpalatable.




posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
People have changed.

ATS is just a representation of the people.

A poor tradesman blames his tools.
ATS isn't to blame.

There is definitely truth to that, ATS or not, people are very divided, over..everything!



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: TheMadTitan
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

ATS will die because it is a shadow of it's former self. This site was my 'go to' for conspiracies, ufos and all other paranormal stuff. Most people who came here, came for the ufos and the conspiracies. Over time, political posts started to become more common until where we're at today.

This isn't a conspiracy site anymore, it's a political poo-fest and until THAT is addressed then the site will continue to decline. Even if the site was bought out with new owners, if they keep the political nonsense the way it is it will continue to fail.





This exactly.
It’s been a long time since Ive been on here but the reason I left was because ATS abandoned its roots and turned into a political echo chamber.
Reap what you sow I guess.



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi


Variety Is the Spice Of Life . Diverse Thought Fuels Man's Evolution . Genetics have Dictated Individuals Mind Sets . The Strong Survive , the Weak Die Out . C'est la vie........



Self Determination is the Root Of All Good in this World . Thank God the Geneticist for that .



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: tanstaafl

Speaking as a layman here, i would assume that the DDoS protection, itself, costs a fortune. I recall without it ATS was barely functional when under (frequent) attack. And I recall it being mentioned that the cost of protection would be a substantial increase in overall costs.

A paid Cloudflare account should handle that quite nicely, and they are quite inexpensive.


its not just running a forum with a dozen members and a thousand page views a day. There are volumes of well curated material on ATS that serve as official libraries for topics like UFO's. Decades worth. And loads of lurkers. Its a rather large site that is still very popular within its niche. A niche that has had ever increasing demonetization practices thrown at it. All those page views are pure cost now, with no monetary upside.

I'm not suggesting the costs would be the same as a simple shared hosting account, but I just can't see how or why it would cost more than $500/mo, if that... not with the tech available today. Just doesn't make sense.

I tend to agree with this analysis, CloudFlare offers great DDoS protection for a reasonable price, they also now provide free SSL encryption from memory. It's not like SSL certs are very expensive anyway. I wouldn't mind an explanation of why ATS is so expensive to run, there's probably a reasonable explanation but it seems like a lot of issues could be solved using the tech now available.
edit on 29/6/2020 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 29 2020 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: xEphon

This exactly.
It’s been a long time since Ive been on here but the reason I left was because ATS abandoned its roots and turned into a political echo chamber.
Reap what you sow I guess.

So how come every leftist echo chamber isn't dying as well, why are they magically able to survive? And what evidence is there to suggest ATS doesn't have enough right wingers and centrists to keep it alive considering its one of the few places we can come to share our perspective without being censored? For that matter, what proof do you have that ATS is lacking left wingers considering this very thread is packed full of leftists trying to blame their political opponents for the demise of ATS? It's the attitude of sore losers who can't handle the fact they've been constantly proven wrong concerning the Trump hoaxes and can never convince anyone that far-left socialism is a better economic philosophy. I once believed that a technocratic globalist government was the best solution and then I grew up and realized how wrong I was and how much it would impair the freedom and liberty which is the foundation of Western society.

You guys can whine and cry all day long about the failings of free market capitalism but the fact remains it is the superior economic system, it provides the most innovation and has created some of the most wealthy nations on Earth. This may sound like a harsh post but I'm truly getting sick and tired of crybabies blaming members here for the problems ATS has. The far-left is literally trying to tear down the principles upon which our societies were built and then they complain when there's still people who oppose their Marxist ideologies, calling those people fascists and an array of other absurd labels. The entire internet is being taken over by leftists and they censor any alternative opinions to the point where it's almost impossible for us to exist on the modern internet, but its still our fault for not having the right opinion which will appease the tech overlords. And we're the ones who are pro-authoritarian and the ones to blame when this censorship results in the destruction of free speech... sorry but I don't buy that absolute bullcrap.

I guess the following people and platforms are to blame for their own demise as well huh... typical control freaks cannot win an argument legitimately so they just censor their opponents and pat themselves on the back as if it's a good thing. They are so weak minded they can't even handle the thought of their political opposition having free speech. Sure some of these people may be far-right lunatics but to say people such as Stefan are racists is just a blatant lie, if that were the case they would have been banned long ago. They are clearly doing this now due to the upcoming election, which makes this an obvious attempt to manipulate the election, the very thing they screamed about for years. They are hypocrits of the highest order. And people wonder why many members on ATS despise the mainstream left...

r/The_Donald has been removed from Reddit..and banned from Twitch

YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer, and more for hate speech
edit on 29/6/2020 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder
Dear god
Your post is exactly why this site is dying. You automatically assume I’m a liberal.
There’s no discussion on this site only conspiratorial right wing talking point and undying love for Trump.



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 05:47 AM
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originally posted by: xEphon
a reply to: ChaoticOrder
Dear god
Your post is exactly why this site is dying. You automatically assume I’m a liberal.
There’s no discussion on this site only conspiratorial right wing talking point and undying love for Trump.

Please quote the part of my post where I said you were a liberal. I also note you haven't attempted to answer a single one of my questions or criticisms, all you can do is repeat the exact same talking point which has no evidence to support it. Try again.
edit on 30/6/2020 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 06:15 AM
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There are a lot of veterans here on ATS.
Most of us brought ourselves up from our own bootstraps.
We love the constitution and would protect anyone from oppression and terrorism.
We love our families.
We have respect for law and order.
Most of us hate what is going on presently, but we have also been through some much tougher #.
We will get through this.



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: TheMadTitan
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

ATS will die because it is a shadow of it's former self. This site was my 'go to' for conspiracies, ufos and all other paranormal stuff. Most people who came here, came for the ufos and the conspiracies. Over time, political posts started to become more common until where we're at today.

This isn't a conspiracy site anymore, it's a political poo-fest and until THAT is addressed then the site will continue to decline. Even if the site was bought out with new owners, if they keep the political nonsense the way it is it will continue to fail.



no, people just don’t understand that the political sphere is part of a wider conspiracy. I try to connect the dots so people can see the bigger picture.



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 08:42 AM
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Political demise. True words. One can scroll through the recent posts page and count dozens of untrue political posts that have been debunked and shown as false 10x over. Usually posted by the same 5 or so members on a regular basis.



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: xEphon

This exactly.
It’s been a long time since Ive been on here but the reason I left was because ATS abandoned its roots and turned into a political echo chamber.
Reap what you sow I guess.

So how come every leftist echo chamber isn't dying as well, why are they magically able to survive? And what evidence is there to suggest ATS doesn't have enough right wingers and centrists to keep it alive considering its one of the few places we can come to share our perspective without being censored? For that matter, what proof do you have that ATS is lacking left wingers considering this very thread is packed full of leftists trying to blame their political opponents for the demise of ATS? It's the attitude of sore losers who can't handle the fact they've been constantly proven wrong concerning the Trump hoaxes and can never convince anyone that far-left socialism is a better economic philosophy. I once believed that a technocratic globalist government was the best solution and then I grew up and realized how wrong I was and how much it would impair the freedom and liberty which is the foundation of Western society.

You guys can whine and cry all day long about the failings of free market capitalism but the fact remains it is the superior economic system, it provides the most innovation and has created some of the most wealthy nations on Earth. This may sound like a harsh post but I'm truly getting sick and tired of crybabies blaming members here for the problems ATS has. The far-left is literally trying to tear down the principles upon which our societies were built and then they complain when there's still people who oppose their Marxist ideologies, calling those people fascists and an array of other absurd labels. The entire internet is being taken over by leftists and they censor any alternative opinions to the point where it's almost impossible for us to exist on the modern internet, but its still our fault for not having the right opinion which will appease the tech overlords. And we're the ones who are pro-authoritarian and the ones to blame when this censorship results in the destruction of free speech... sorry but I don't buy that absolute bullcrap.

I guess the following people and platforms are to blame for their own demise as well huh... typical control freaks cannot win an argument legitimately so they just censor their opponents and pat themselves on the back as if it's a good thing. They are so weak minded they can't even handle the thought of their political opposition having free speech. Sure some of these people may be far-right lunatics but to say people such as Stefan are racists is just a blatant lie, if that were the case they would have been banned long ago. They are clearly doing this now due to the upcoming election, which makes this an obvious attempt to manipulate the election, the very thing they screamed about for years. They are hypocrits of the highest order. And people wonder why many members on ATS despise the mainstream left...

r/The_Donald has been removed from Reddit..and banned from Twitch

YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer, and more for hate speech


Glorious wall of truth. Great post.



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: TheMadTitan
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

ATS will die because it is a shadow of it's former self. This site was my 'go to' for conspiracies, ufos and all other paranormal stuff. Most people who came here, came for the ufos and the conspiracies. Over time, political posts started to become more common until where we're at today.

This isn't a conspiracy site anymore, it's a political poo-fest and until THAT is addressed then the site will continue to decline. Even if the site was bought out with new owners, if they keep the political nonsense the way it is it will continue to fail.



no, people just don’t understand that the political sphere is part of a wider conspiracy. I try to connect the dots so people can see the bigger picture.


Exactly. And this is all dishonest complaining anyway. As I noted pages ago, NONE of these hypocritical losers had a problem when Bush was the target of conspiracy theories. They didn't even have a problem in early 2016 when most of the mudslinging was directed at Trump. None of them were whining that politics shouldn't be discussed here. They just can't handle their Gods like Obama being the target. They still haven't gotten over Trump winning and any positive mention of him still drives them crazy. That's why they've all been quitting the site and the ones that are left constantly cry about the content.

You just can't take people like this seriously.
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posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: face23785

You describe the same kind of polarisation that is displayed by avid Trump supporters towards democrats now.

The issue is that you can't see that. Both sides do it. You are more alike than you might think. Your post actually proves that.



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 06:31 PM
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If this site was able to load videos on its own I bet it would outstrip Youtube, but I am pretty sure that would require a lot more investment in hardware. It would need far more Moderators as well. I am just saying the site has possibilities although it would take a bit of investment.

Not many are happy with youtube because of the partisan censorship.



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 06:55 PM
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So let me make sure I understand, the free market is great, until the free market decides it doesn't want to tolerate the type of bs you come across on ATS and other ALT RIGHT places. Now suddenly we forget about what 'free market' actually means and move on to 'teh evil leftist'?

No one can debate such blatant double standards, plenty of people have simply stopped trying. It is a literal waste of time.

Reddit gave the exact reason they banned /r/TheDonald:



All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.


Despite the above and the fact that reddit banned hundreds of subreddits, most having nothing to do with politics, rebuttals will be 100% based on feelz.

Reddit manages to survive because they have thousands of subreddits for their over 300 million users.
People think it's a leftist echo chamber because when somebody posts some stupid # the mods promptly handle it up.

Now ATS is going bye bye and you lot will swear its because you're conservative, despite the fact the r/conservative seems to be doing just fine, very fine actually.


But do carry on pointing the finger at everyone else.



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 08:09 PM
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I'm a long time lurker but I feel the need to comment since my time to do so may be running out. I don't visit this site anywhere near as much as I used to because of how political it has gotten.

I apologise if a thread exists on what I'm about to say but if it does I'd appreciate if someone would direct to it.

Let's use 2020 as an example. When I would frequent ATS the main focus of conversation would have been about what does this evil and corrupt government have in store for us? What's the end game? The first half of this year the left and right we're at each others throats over the coronavirus, stay at home measures and wearing a mask. Now the same thing in regards to the protests. It honestly feels like this is purposely being done to divide the country.
I don't want to be attacked so I'm going to point out that I am an independent that doesn't like Trump but I also don't like Biden and won't be voting for either. Trump's tweets over the last month or so in my opinion seems as if he's trying to cause more of a divide, calling for MAGA night at the WH and to liberate democratic cities that are under social distancing restrictions. Basically calling for his supporters to take to the streets and have it out with left wing protesters. On the democratic side there really isn't anyone stepping up to take a leadership role. To try and direct this movement into something that actually makes sense. Maybe I'm doing a bad job at explaining this and perhaps I should make a thread on this but if you ask most people out there they would say the prospect of a civil war is very possible, so why isn't there anyone in our government trying to unify this country? Why is the rhetoric from politicians on both sides seemingly geared towards causing more of a divide?

What I'm getting at is an actual conspiracy that involves both parties, an evil and corrupt government and most likely the wealthiest and most powerful elites in our country. This is what the ATS I remember would be working to get to the bottom of. It's also what ATS is lacking now and how it gained it's popularity and reputation for defying ignorance. If the main focus of this forum is based around partisan politics there's nothing special about it, it's just another media outlet spewing partisan propaganda. There's not enough room on the internet for another one of those



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: ElectricUniverse



Biden is the candidate the left wants. Do you call the fact that Biden has stated he would put O'Reorke in charge of "gun violence." In fact Biden said "Beto will take care of the gun problem."

Biden is not the candidate anybody wants, he could win though, never thought I'd say it. I know you guys can't believe it, but Trump has become that unpalatable.
Then how did he become the front runner for the Democrat Party?



posted on Jun, 30 2020 @ 11:58 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Because the DNC chose him, much like how they dismissed Sanders to select Hillary?



posted on Jul, 1 2020 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Then how did he become the front runner for the Democrat Party?


Corruption. Like someone else just said look what happened to Bernie. It's blatant and obvious to everyone even most Dems will admit this. So why isn't anyone doing anything about this? Why doesn't Trump do something about this? Even though you might not be a Democrat and happy to see the party in such disarray it should still concern you. If the Republicans won't do anything about then that leaves the door open to the RNC doing the same when it suits them.

What happened to Ron Paul in 2008?




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