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The political mentality of ATS and its demise

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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I'm fine with political debate but that constitutes exchanging of ideas and political philosophies , calling people names and claiming they suffer from the fictitious TDS at any opportunity is not that.

Slagging people off gains stars from ones peers and people like the affirmation those stars give them , slagging people off when they say something you don't like is not debate.




posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:35 AM
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Democrats, Leftists, Progressives, etc. always have a keen desire to blame somebody for their own failures 🤣

The ATS drama is no different 😎

👋S-L-A-P👋


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:35 AM
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When a toxic mud pit over flows it's banks and infects the other forums, people leave or get banned. It's ceases to be a discussion and becomes a competition for stars and flags and atta boiz.

When alternative views are mocked and ridiculed and and the divisions of "Us" and "people like you" is encouraged thru out a site, it can't sustain itself for long and that's what we are witnessing now.

If it's a site with nothing but right wingers you want; it's yours for as long as it lasts....
edit on 27-6-2020 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:39 AM
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I just wish some would access their Free Will and become better leaders of themselves instead of always looking to be led.

Group think political based shows who needs led and who cannot lead themselves...

Yes the current Trump administration is failing the many why seemingly considering the few but I refuse to go into a literal gang mentality with politics between the left and right as many here do.

It's funny because people really convince themselves that someone other then themselves politically based cares about the welfare of the family they may be leading at home.

Many skipped awareness class
Love class ALL is 1
Consciousness class, collectives stringed together
Fear class
You are NOT alone class, which is or was one of my favorite classes associated with ATS.

So this is part of the result of not being receptive to benevolent frequencies and vibrations when THEY sent the many transmissions and channeling data to humanity over the last decade. Maybe they were trying to help and prepare the many... Some felt them. And appreciate them for trying to forewarn.

What could they have been warning about?



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:43 AM
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I don't think humans with a consciousness to ignore the environment who have the actual power to heal or fix the environment but do not are of favor to them.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:44 AM
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It is a sign of intelligence. Those who care for their environment.
Does the current administration help consider the environment? Or political group think?



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I think it's the toxicity that comes with the political discourse that's the problem not one side or the other , add to that the numerous threads drowning out other non-political threads and it seems the only game in town is politics these days , the repetition has become boring turning off existing members and alienating new members , we've pissed in the pool so much its become septic.

Of course that isn't the only reason but I'm sure we all know people who have left because of that , garnering stars and flags seems to be the order of the day in this echo chamber today not creating interesting and informative content.

Donald Trump didn't kill ATS , we did.


Is that you Joe, your joking right, I’ve read most of your i hate trump posts, you are a big part of what is wrong
With arts. 😂😂😂😂



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:45 AM
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Be well



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
When a toxic mud pit over flows it's banks and infects the other forums, people leave or get banned. It's ceases to be a discussion and becomes a competition for stars and flags and atta boiz.

When alternative views are mocked and ridiculed and and the divisions of "Us" and "people like you" is encouraged thru out a site, it can't sustain itself for long and that's what we are witnessing now.

If it's a site with nothing but right wingers you want; it's yours for as long as it lasts....


You've never been in the Mud Pit...adding to it's 'toxicity'?



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: Robbo2006

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I think it's the toxicity that comes with the political discourse that's the problem not one side or the other , add to that the numerous threads drowning out other non-political threads and it seems the only game in town is politics these days , the repetition has become boring turning off existing members and alienating new members , we've pissed in the pool so much its become septic.

Of course that isn't the only reason but I'm sure we all know people who have left because of that , garnering stars and flags seems to be the order of the day in this echo chamber today not creating interesting and informative content.

Donald Trump didn't kill ATS , we did.


Is that you Joe, your joking right, I’ve read most of your i hate trump posts, you are a big part of what is wrong
With arts. 😂😂😂😂





Donald Trump didn't kill ATS , we did.

Q.E.D.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

I agree with you. The whole landscape has changed. Discussion forums are no longer areas for discussion.

Most people post their opinions. They are most often rigid in those opinions and have no desire to explain, learn, or listen.

Forums have become battle grounds with each camp holding on and fighting to their death anyone that does not agree with them.

ATS and the like are dying because they are being replaced by sites that allow drive by posts. People just spit out what they want to say and move on. No requirement of facts or truth, no civility, no thought.

Sites that encourage the quick, and often vile retort, have become what the majority prefer.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I'm fine with political debate but that constitutes exchanging of ideas and political philosophies , calling people names and claiming they suffer from the fictitious TDS at any opportunity is not that.

I've used the term TDS maybe once or twice, and any time I have used it, I'm sure it was more than warranted, because some people clearly are obsessed with criticizing every little thing Trump does even if it's an objectively good thing. It may not be a scientifically accepted term but I think we all know what it means. Some members here probably do overuse the term but most of the time I see it used it's in response to some totally ridiculous statement or action made by an anti-Trump person. However I also see an equal number of people carelessly slinging around words like racist and fascist. And it's not just isolated to ATS, how do you think it feels when mainstream personalities are constantly using these labels, it's to the point where if I see someone being called a racist I first assume it's probably just a conservative they disagree with. Every single thread I've ever posted in the mud pit has been a detailed and carefully thought out analysis of political ideologies, just like this thread is, and I'm not trying to encourage name calling at all. Yet someone already said it's threads like this which have killed ATS, it's clearly those people who cannot handle these types of debates.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Democrats, Leftists, Progressives, etc. always have a keen desire to blame somebody for their own failures 🤣



Let me show you this thing called a ''Mirror'' ....



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12

If it's a site with nothing but right wingers you want; it's yours for as long as it lasts....

Read the quote in my signature. It says "True growth only comes through having your ideas challenged". That is a quote from a longer post I made before I knew ATS was in a bad state. If I didn't want to hear opposing opinions from members such as yourself I wouldn't post here. I don't want a total echo chamber whether left or right, but considering the majority of the internet is a leftist echo chamber I don't really think it's such a bad thing that there's a place like ATS which is a bit more right leaning.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder on May, 6 2020

Some times I wonder how much longer ATS will last in current times, and I'm sure the owners sometimes have that concern because more and more we're seeing conspiracies being compared to extremism. The entire premise is based on this delusional idea that fake news from bots is going to fool us all into doing things like elect Trump, so it's really a political agenda. ATS mods are impartial for the most part, yes there are mods I often disagree with but they don't censor me, and there are also mods which I often agree with. The same applies to the members here, we many have political opinions from all sides.

ATS often gets portrayed as some sort of alt-right haven, and while it does attract a lot of conservatives, there is also a large base of people who are more socialist and support people like Bernie Sanders. I know this because they show up in nearly every political thread I write lol. But if I didn't want my opinions challenged I wouldn't post here, true growth can only come through having your ideas challenged. It's not like we get a massive amount of attention for writing a good thread, even the best thread might get a few hundred flags at most compared to the thousands or millions of likes and shares possible on large social media platforms.

Lets take a moment to appreciate ATS



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder





and I'm not trying to encourage name calling at all. Yet someone already said it's threads like this which have killed ATS, it's clearly those people who cannot handle these types of debates.



Your thread isn't a debate...it's just another thread to slag on the people that have a different opinion than you have.

Just more typical mudpit BS. And subtle name calling like "thoes people"...



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 09:12 AM
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The so-called "Toxic" 'Mud Pit' is intended to be a debating 'battlefield' of opposing opinion.

If one army of thought flees the field...blaming the other side for their loses...it's because they are essentially immature cowards and incapable of sustaining their arguments on their own merits.

It's really that simple.

Cowards run.
Victors own the field.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Your thread isn't a debate...it's just another thread to slag on the people that have a different opinion than you have.

Oh and placing the blame for the demise of ATS onto the shoulders of long standing members here isn't "slagging" on others? This thread is merely an attempt to provide a rebuttal to that highly offensive and false argument. It is clearly a debate because we are providing counterpoints to each others propositions.


Just more typical mudpit BS. And subtle name calling like "thoes people"...

Lmao of course you'd take offense to that phraseology. I was merely referring to those people who view the mud pit as nothing but name calling, I really don't understand why you guys are always in here if you hate it so much. Just because you disagree with the premise of the thread doesn't mean my points are just typical BS.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

It's my opinion that ATS would still be a highly popular website if tech companies such as Google treated us fairly


That's one of two main problems though, Google is run by far-left ideologues who are steering as many people as they can to resources and information that supports the Democrat/Socialist/Communist way of thinking - the opposite of what ATS was about.

Something you quoted yourself about stuck out to me - "it's not easy to consistently come up with new conspiracy ideas."

Why do we think we have to come up with new conspiracies? Why not investigate the existing ones until there is no information left to be found? Quality is usually far better than quantity when it comes to information. Shoot, part of the fun of conspiracies for me is investigating but like so many others I got myself caught up in the political discussions. It's too late for this site now, but I wouldn't complain at all if the politics section - aside from conspiracies - was dropped. If it's not about a legit conspiracy, it's deleted. Period. If it's simply throwing # to get at the other side - delete it. If members put things like we've seen a lot of in recent months in a non-political conspiracy forum - remove them. If those rules were in place here you wouldn't see another comment from me about current political issues.

Unfortunately, ATS fell into the same trap that so many others have, they forgot their original message in my opinion.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

You know that is a pretty strong statement of belief but over all you make a good point but the use of the word coward is actually very wrong and a bit harsh.
(to me a coward is someone that see's wrong and then does not either say or do something about it - if they can and there are many reason's folk's can not so I even then reserve judgement BUT Cowards were the old men that sent the young men to there death's in the trenches of the first world war while sitting back in there drawing room's drinking scotch and whisky, not the shell shocked or mind addled ruin's they turned many of those young men into)

Let me see how can I frame this, some folk's are simply NOT erudite enough to hold an argument, some just like to point out there opinion which is fine as opinion's are seldom set in stone unless they are rooted in deep seated bias.

And sometimes folk's just can't be bothered arguing.

BUT MY point is moot as you are referring to the specific area of the site called the Mud Pit.

Were My earlier point comes into it is that the Mud Pit as well as just about every other new thread is the first thing folk's see when they come to the site, they tend not to look for specific forum's but rather come direct to the main page and always but always click on NEW threads, seldom to they go to a long running debate as we are by virtue of our short lives shallow creatures that almost always look to see what is on the surface of the pond before jumping in often without any real thought for what is below the water, so we tend to look at NEW thread's regardless of genre or forum and we tend not to go and look at what rapidly become stagnant dead threads that are the thing's that lie just below the surface and often have the most interesting content.
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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: HalWesten

Something you quoted yourself about stuck out to me - "it's not easy to consistently come up with new conspiracy ideas."

Why do we think we have to come up with new conspiracies? Why not investigate the existing ones until there is no information left to be found?

That's a good point but I did address it to an extent when I mentioned how we were rehashing the same conspiracy topics over and over. It still happens, chances are any non-political topic has already been discussed before. We get a new angle or take each time or some new information, and that's sort of what I mean when I said "new conspiracy ideas", it's not just about finding totally new conspiracies, but also new angles on old conspiracies. It's not easy either way but I definitely think there's enough conspiracies out there to keep the original ideas coming if people are willing to put in the time and effort.



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