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The political mentality of ATS and its demise

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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:12 AM
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I wouldn't usually post something this divisive but seeing as ATS may be coming to an end I'm going to take the gloves off and get to the core of some very important political topics. Recently I'm seeing many members here making the argument that conservatives or even libertarians such as myself support authoritarian big gov and that's one of the main reasons ATS is failing. I think it's very unfair to blame a certain sector of our membership for such a thing. I'm not going to deny the type of content on ATS is very advertiser unfriendly, even non-political conspiracy topics are increasingly seen as undesirable content or fake news.

However is it not our job to appease advertisers, we aren't going to change how we think or sacrifice our free speech. I think it's very telling that some people here would rather blame the right-wing members than place any blame on corporations who choose to censor or suppress certain perspectives. Most people here probably know I'm a staunch supporter of Trump despite the fact I don't even live in the U.S., but let me remind you the very first thread I created about Trump in 2016 was titled Donald Trump: Imperialistic Authoritarian. In 2018 I created a thread titled Why I don't Like Trump But Support Him explaining why my opinion had changed.

There are very deep reasons myself and many others here feel the way we do. It isn't just ATS with this political mentality, the majority of "alternative" news sources support Trump while the vast majority of the MSM despises Trump. Who supports smaller government with less taxes? Who has more respect for freedom and liberty? Who supports opening the economy in preference to endless dystopian lockdowns? Who wants the gov out of their personal life and who wants a nanny state? Who wants less censorship on social media and who demands more? Who has more distrust for authority figures such as mainstream politicians and MSM pundits?

Unless a liberal can answer these questions in a robust fashion I fail to see how ATS has become a pro-big-brother website. Is it really so hard to grasp why we would be aligned against mainstream politicians such as Hillary and Biden? If you think it's just leftist politicians we're against then you're very wrong, a surprising number of conservatives like Tulsi Gabbard due to her no nonsense attitude, yet barely anyone here liked John McCain because we could see he was a corrupt neocon warmonger. Conversely, we can see Trump prefers to use diplomacy to achieve peace but also knows when force is necessary, for example his approach to ISIS saw their territory swiftly reclaimed.


originally posted by: ChaoticOrder on Aug, 18 2017

Do not be mistaken, we are still the counterculture, we are still the anti-establishment, we are still outside the mainstream, and we will always run against the grain, against lies and manufactured morality. I don't doubt most of them have good intentions but mix that with naivety and the path to hell is easily paved. There is a saying I recently heard: "Hell is full of good meanings, but heaven is full of good works".

Being Anti-Establishment is Now Trendy


We're hearing a lot lately that support for Trump is falling, so for the conservatives and centrists here who may be angry with Trump because he hasn't punished China properly, or because he went along with the lockdowns and destroyed the economy, or didn't prevent the protests, let me remind you it would have been 10x worse under virtually any other president. At least Trump has the ability to resist it on some level, for example he continues to campaign without fear of CV19 but Biden has said he'll make wearing a mask mandatory if elected. Biden also promised a cure to cancer if elected and that's something I can't forgive. Just remember who your leader will be if you abandon Trump now.
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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:22 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

"Just remember who your leader will be if you abandon Trump now."

Well, it won't be Joe Biden.

But worry not. Trump is going to win reelection in a landslide.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Anyone who thinks that their sorry ass can make a difference by voting for example is so far gone that they need to be taken by the river and shot in the head.

We do not need anymore mindless drones.


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:27 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

The only point of contention I have is the reasoning of a site like ATS failing.

I'd wager that folks dont want discussion or debate. To use a favorite quote of a known authoritarian they want "to shut that # down!"

I mean it's easy to sling terms like racist or trumper or homophobe and halt the dialog. Ignorance in grand and unifying fashion.


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:34 AM
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ATS is not dying for those of us who take the time to post. It may be dying for management as the cash flow seems to suck but until they close the thing down we are still here sharing ideas/articles and trying to make a point.

Political discussions can always be contentious but to me it just seems we have a larger group of "Orange man bad and let's tear everything down crowd" while never offering a realistic alternative, unless it is some socialist nirvana which has never existed and never will.

I will be glad when COVID-19 goes away and what little semblance of life can go back to its' fuller potential. I personally think the riots and protest are going to push stuff to hard and to far ....When the hammer is brought out there are going to be many who will wish they had never stole and burned businesses down just because they could.. 10 years behind bars is a long long time...IMO... good news is I will most likely be dead before they get out of club fed...


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:37 AM
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Consider this. Verizon has pulled their advertising dollars from Facebook because Facebook is too divisive for their concept of what their brand is. Will Verizon pulling their adds hurt FB? Nope. Not in the slightest if my feed is any indication of how much advertising dollars FB receives...

ATS does not nor ever had that luxury even when we were in the top 2000 most popular websites of the whole internet. Which included little blogs about Granny’s Little Boy Skip the Jack Russell.

The internet has changed. No longer is advertising working with content providers to provide content. It is no longer about reaching the last person with your advertising dollars. It is about being woke. It is about branding for the woke. It is about appeasement by silencing the opposition that isn’t woke. It is about cancelling that which is not the cancel culture...

But fear not, once the Cancel Culture runs out of easy targets, the infighting will cause it to cancel itself until nothing remains. Until that war cycle is completed, we get to watch the ruins in the ashes. ATS is a victim for allowing people to speak their opinion without filtered censorship, outside common decency of civility and decorum that is.

I certainly don’t give two flying # about placating a bunch of # that would spray paint graffiti all over a Jimi Hendrix statue. Personally I think they should have been executed on the spot along with anyone defending such actions. Because # em if they don’t like Hendrix.


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:37 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

According to me, the reason ATS is going down is because of the lack of creativity. No innovation.

Another reason is how easy is to make a thread. No research or analysis, just a few lines and a link to a triggering information. Each day we look more like FB.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

If we do not stop the pedophile satanists that rule us all, its going to get worse every year.

Most likely it is too late already and things are just going to get worse.

But hey lets just embrace the new normal whatever that may be.


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: solve
If we do not stop the pedophile satanists that rule us all, its going to get worse every year.


This, the old and crazy ATS political discussion that has been replaced with the 'Libtard'/'Conservatard' conversation we have now.




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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

ATS will die because it is a shadow of it's former self. This site was my 'go to' for conspiracies, ufos and all other paranormal stuff. Most people who came here, came for the ufos and the conspiracies. Over time, political posts started to become more common until where we're at today.

This isn't a conspiracy site anymore, it's a political poo-fest and until THAT is addressed then the site will continue to decline. Even if the site was bought out with new owners, if they keep the political nonsense the way it is it will continue to fail.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: solve
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Anyone who thinks that their sorry ass can make a difference by voting for example is so far gone that they need to be taken by the river and shot in the head.

We do not need anymore mindless drones.

What would you recommend as an alternative?
What would be your solution?

We all understand the system is corrupt, but rights that aren't exercised are lost.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Anyone who thinks that their sorry ass can make a difference by voting for example is so far gone that they need to be taken by the river and shot in the head.

We do not need anymore mindless drones.

What would you recommend as an alternative?
What would be your solution?

We all understand the system is corrupt, but rights that aren't exercised are lost.


My solution- Just (SNIP) see how she goes.

We are animals, sleep, eat, (SNIP) repeat. nothing more to it. Paradise.
Then some one has an "idea" and it all goes to hell.

(SNIP) that.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yep. Crazy that a site that doesn’t bat an eyelash at things like the EARN It Act and “take the guns first, worry about due process later” can turn around and claim they’re anti big brother and that’s why nobody cares about their conspiracy website turned political debate website anymore.


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:55 AM
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Its political posts like this tat are the reason its going to S***!



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

What has harmed ATS the most is an unending stream of political thread's that cater only to those in certain locations and country's and not to the wider audience that actually call this place there home on the internet.

Unending veiled racism, it does exist and it has continued and while I would say that religious debate is NOT racism the vast majority of the uneducated public assume it is so if for example I mention Islam and point out my belief that it is wrong then that majority whom probably don't even have a fixed religion will then assume I am being racist.

Add to this the ever changing nature of the internet and the technology people both use to access it and to run it, the deplorable behaviour of the internet search engines which have deliberately skewed searched AWAY from above top secret which was formerly the number one search result and wrong claim's that this very deliberate action was down to AI search algorithm's and you can see that there has been a concerted effort to destabilize Above Top Secret's place as the internets number one conspiracy site.

And that is the point there is a war being waged against Internet Conspiracy Sites by among other's, political leaders, corporations and sheep that claim they represent something when in fact they are mostly vacuous air head's.

The Loss of ATS is going to be a catastrophe for the internet, oh not for those that are currently in charge of the whole thing but for freedom of speech, open minded debate and most of all truth.


So in my opinion.

Number one source of harm, deliberate skewing of search results and deliberate steering away from this and other conspiracy sites by internet search providers.

Number two the quality of threads over the past few years, non stop political crap, no stop anti and pro trump when most of the world can not to be frank and meaning no offence - give a toss about the ginger headed tiny hand thing, despite having it's own political forum most people also only ever use the first page of the site, the first page is limited into how far back it show's threads which is both a good and a bad thing, you might see a thread you thought was interesting last week and decide to revisit it but can not remember it's name but by that time it is too late to just scroll down and find it, that first page should have been able to show not by thread quantity but by date at least as far back as two week's and this has hampered those folk's that had those urges to just come back to visit those threads they can then not find.

And thirdly I am guilty as are many other's, this site has gotten too bogged down in religious debate.

What I like many other's came here for was Conspiracy, not social engineering debates and rant's.

ATS is a great site, one of the finest on the internet and it's demise will be a loss whose true scope may not be appreciated for years to come but one day you will say to your grand children we used to be able to at least speak our mind's back then.


@ solve, nice point and though very funny more truth to that than most folk's would like to know, we can't change the world here though perhaps leave those scumbag's to the REAL anonymous and let them expose the hell out of them - oh they won't though because Anonymous are fake for the most part and only come out of there shell to attack sites like ATS because some of them got banned from here in the past, (and @ real Anonymous if you are out there would you like to finish that statement by recovering your identity - sorry you don't have one a bit cowardly - from those that snatched it to use for there own political and revenge agenda's).

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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: Ahabstar
Consider this. Verizon has pulled their advertising dollars from Facebook because Facebook is too divisive for their concept of what their brand is.

I actually made a post about the Facebook boycott in the thread about the Facebook insider revealing the widespread liberal bias in Facebook. If a company that far-left can still be a target of this outrage culture then imagine just how rigged the system is against a website like ATS. It's my opinion that ATS would still be a highly popular website if tech companies such as Google treated us fairly, we are still probably the best place for detailed conspiracy discussions and even the political discussions go much deeper than the vast majority of websites. ATS has such a massive amount of unique content and it's impossible that wouldn't translate to a high search engine ranking unless the system was rigged, which it clearly is, regardless of how much they deny it.


originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
So one might hope the MSM would cover this story... but what story do they choose to cover the last couple of days instead? They decide to whine about how Facebook still has too much hate speech and needs more censorship, despite the fact it's already being moderated by people and algorithms with a far left bias. This is yet more proof of how the MSM are absolute clowns trying to engineer the opinions of the masses.

Facebook policy changes fail to quell advertiser revolt as Coca-Cola pulls ads



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:05 AM
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For those who think a lack of original conspiracy topics and an excess of political topics is to blame, I'll just quote something I said the other day in response to that criticism:

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

ATS has always been changing, ever since I joined there are always people longing for the "good old days" of ATS, I even made a thread like that a few years ago. In 2008 when I first found ATS, I was reading some of the older threads from the early 2000's and I could already see how much ATS had changed in those years between. Before politics became popular on ATS we were constantly rehashing the same old topics which was a problem because duplicate threads aren't really allowed.

Like I've explained many times before, it's not easy to consistently come up with new conspiracy ideas. However I still try to post at least one thread a month on non-political topics and the science forum is by far my most used forum with about double the number of threads I've posted in the mud pit. Nothing is stopping you or anyone else from writing interesting threads on non-political issues, but instead of doing that all I see is whining about how there's not enough conspiracy topics on ATS, with no real understanding of why that's the case and no motivation to make threads of their own.


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:05 AM
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I think it's the toxicity that comes with the political discourse that's the problem not one side or the other , add to that the numerous threads drowning out other non-political threads and it seems the only game in town is politics these days , the repetition has become boring turning off existing members and alienating new members , we've pissed in the pool so much its become septic.

Of course that isn't the only reason but I'm sure we all know people who have left because of that , garnering stars and flags seems to be the order of the day in this echo chamber today not creating interesting and informative content.

Donald Trump didn't kill ATS , we did.


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posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
Yep. Crazy that a site that doesn’t bat an eyelash at things like the EARN It Act and “take the guns first, worry about due process later” can turn around and claim they’re anti big brother and that’s why nobody cares about their conspiracy website turned political debate website anymore.


Add the $6trillion in bailout money and all the other related bull and tell me how we went from a mostly anti-establishment site to sucking the President's ass.



posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I think it's the toxicity that comes with the political discourse that's the problem

This is another argument I mostly disagree with. We are having rigorous political debates on highly contentious issues and it seems some people simply aren't built for that, they view it as members attacking each other, when in reality the discussions we have here are often a lot more tame than political arguments you see occur in comment sections around the internet, because the mods will delete a post of they feel it's an unnecessary attack on another member and not an attempt to express a valid political opinion. Like I said there are only so many conspiracy topics in existence, plus I see nothing wrong with the fact people enjoy debating politics, it's clearly something that draws people in and I think it's very important to have these discussions. Furthermore, someone said the other day that politics and conspiracies go hand in hand, which is a very true statement, especially in current times. If anything politics has allowed members here to contribute far more content than they otherwise would have, it has kept us going in a way. If you dislike it there's no requirement to be in the mud put... in my experience the people who dislike it are those who always lose the debates.
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