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Is the USA going to die soon as a nation, with the assistance of both political parties?

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posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 01:52 AM
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The economy was going to take a hit regardless. The virus just happened to come along at an opportune time to become politicized.

Trump may be divisive, but he isn't the cause of the divisiveness that has plagued us for decades. He is a result. He won the presidency because the general masses of people were tired of getting bombarded with what the left has been pushing. When the left went full tilt, most people dealt with it for the past few years, but now that the left has gone all in the far right is beginning to reciprocate.

I feel like if the left or Democrats/left took measured steps and actually represented the middle we wouldn't be having this conversation. Republicans aren't necessarily against change or progress. They just take a slower approach to it. Try things out here and there. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. The left doesn't care. They rush haphazard plans/legislature and if it doesn't actually do any good tough #.

Edit to add:

If this nation does indeed fall, I say let it happen. Do what you need to protect yourselves and your families. I don't think the "Grand Experiment" is necessarily heading towards failure. What comes is just another test.

Now if foreign nations do come in and take power. Then yeah we're probably screwed.
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posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 02:09 AM
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87% of the US population is watching the other 13% of the population throw a temper tantrum like a child in a checkout counter does. Soon, the 87% will put the 13% back in their place.

The Democratic Party with its liberal progressive idealism’s is a cancer that needs cut away. Only them can the Democratic Party rebuild itself and become a good and leading political party again.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 02:12 AM
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One positive to take away from another civil war is that we might actually get a chance to have a third party rise to power lmao



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 03:42 AM
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a reply to: The2Billies

I've only read your OP but the thing that struck me the most was your insistence on blaming everything on Democrats and anyone and everyone who dislikes or voices disapproval of Trump and his policies.

You seem to casually dismiss all of his failings in a somewhat offhand manner and then lay the blame for ALL of the USA's current problems at the feet of those damn Democrats and leftists.

From the outside looking in I can tell you that both sides seem as intolerant and unAmerican as the other.
Neither seems to repsect the values on which the USA was built anymore and seeks to forcibly stop anyone with opposing opinions from voicing them.

You are BOTH at fault and I suspect that further confrontation lies ahead before you hopefully find yourselves and start healing the self-inflicted wounds that your country is currently suffering from.
To do so will require a level of opennness and honesty, and tolerance, that it seems so few are willing to display at present.

I firmly believe the world needs a strong and united America and I genuinely wish you all luck but I fear there are some hard times ahead.

Of course I am only basing my opinion on what I see and read here on ATS and a few other sites and news outlets.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 03:53 AM
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originally posted by: HalWesten
No. There will be a point when those of us that love our country will retaliate. It will be very ugly, many people will die, many things will have to be reconstructed but we will not give away our country.

We're not there yet. There is still hope that a civil war isn't necessary.



Those of us you say, those of us that love our country you say...

You're a lunatic, a very dangerous lunatic at that.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 03:57 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Willing to kill to supress people voicing their opinion in The Land of the Free?



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 04:45 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Willing to kill to supress people voicing their opinion in The Land of the Free?





That's a horror movie even I don't want to see, the crazies truly do run the asylum.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 07:24 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: HalWesten
No. There will be a point when those of us that love our country will retaliate. It will be very ugly, many people will die, many things will have to be reconstructed but we will not give away our country.

We're not there yet. There is still hope that a civil war isn't necessary.



Those of us you say, those of us that love our country you say...

You're a lunatic, a very dangerous lunatic at that.


That's the problem with people who think like you do. If we don't agree to your socialist/communist thinking, we're the lunatics. There is a difference between those who would protect our nation and our Republic, and those who want to tear it down using any means, including violence. A violent attempt to destroy our country will be met with overwhelming violence to stop it.

Again, I'm not talking about tearing down statues or spraying graffiti on walls, I'm talking about your side's vision of changing our government by force. Not gonna happen. That's all I'm saying.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 07:30 AM
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I'm not only want to make America great, but I'm hoping for some change that makes a safer world and a more hopeful America,you know, for the people for a change, a kinder and more gentler nation where we were better off than we were four years ago.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: dantanna
a reply to: HalWesten

they have protocoled for a civvilwar.
it sucks, no matter who wins in nov, the 'other' side will go to war.

i know people who are moving south.

im trying to figure out plans now, we only have the summer.

im furious, the nationless scumbags who rule the world got their wishes.


I doubt there would be a civil war. I don't think people are ready to kill each other over politics. And if they are, then ima work on moving to Canada.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: The2Billies




At this point, I am afraid the nation is too far gone, the two parties unwilling to work together, the animosity and hate between the left and right so strong that we are imploding entirely. Worst of all the elite politicians and the media have encouraged this hate for ones fellow citizens and have encouraged division and hate between the people of the nation. I have not heard any elite politician call for unity, it does not serve their political purposes, it seems they think hate and blame and division best serve political ambitions. The USA has lost it's soul.



I believe that the things that move civilization forward come out of strife

I believe people can realize that they have the ability to see what they want to see, and also the ability to then guard against that and change their minds. I also believe people mostly want to come together

I've heard enough here at ATS (of all places) from different people recently to confirm in my mind that people understand what's happening and are not going to turn on each other

It's weird all of us standing here watching our country without really understanding (or recognizing) our own country

It's fear that messes up people's ability to be rational

The protests were mostly peaceful. Realize the numbers involved. The anger involved. People of all different colors, politics. ages and belief took to the streets peacefully

I believe nothing is inevitable




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posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: BoneSay

originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: panoz77

What makes you so sure? Trump has sold division from day 1.
Being a troll is not recieved well by stupid people.
He's been the centerpiece to destabilization.


Trump is not divisive, the left is. Being a master troll has been the best entertainment I have ever witnessed, watching liberals heads explode and destroy themselves and Karen over his every word has been 3 years of free ROFLs every day. Again, promises made and promises kept, no other president can say that with any honesty. Trump owes nobody and bows to nobody.




Being a master troll has been the best entertainment I have ever witnessed

But being that, causes division and hate....



By those who can't take a joke and are sheltered snowflakes or SJW. A lot of things cause division and hate, like being white, or the American flag, or a MAGA hat or a statue of a founding father and etc.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: dantanna
a reply to: HalWesten

they have protocoled for a civvilwar.
it sucks, no matter who wins in nov, the 'other' side will go to war.

i know people who are moving south.

im trying to figure out plans now, we only have the summer.

im furious, the nationless scumbags who rule the world got their wishes.





I doubt there would be a civil war. I don't think people are ready to kill each other over politics. And if they are, then ima work on moving to Canada.


People on this very thread are threatening a civil war. But it won't be a civil war, it will be a war against people of color lead by the Boogaloo movement, the KKK and aryan brotherhood.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: panoz77

What makes you so sure? Trump has sold division from day 1.
Being a troll is not recieved well by stupid people.
He's been the centerpiece to destabilization.


So, what has Trump sold, that caused all this reverse racism?

What action has Trump, or his Administration, taken that has been divisive and exclusive for any American?



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: dantanna
a reply to: HalWesten

they have protocoled for a civvilwar.
it sucks, no matter who wins in nov, the 'other' side will go to war.

i know people who are moving south.

im trying to figure out plans now, we only have the summer.

im furious, the nationless scumbags who rule the world got their wishes.





I doubt there would be a civil war. I don't think people are ready to kill each other over politics. And if they are, then ima work on moving to Canada.


People on this very thread are threatening a civil war. But it won't be a civil war, it will be a war against people of color lead by the Boogaloo movement, the KKK and aryan brotherhood.


Jeffin Christ.

Do you understand how ignorant that statement is?



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: dantanna
a reply to: HalWesten

they have protocoled for a civvilwar.
it sucks, no matter who wins in nov, the 'other' side will go to war.

i know people who are moving south.

im trying to figure out plans now, we only have the summer.

im furious, the nationless scumbags who rule the world got their wishes.





I doubt there would be a civil war. I don't think people are ready to kill each other over politics. And if they are, then ima work on moving to Canada.


People on this very thread are threatening a civil war. But it won't be a civil war, it will be a war against people of color lead by the Boogaloo movement, the KKK and aryan brotherhood.

No it will be a cultural,the children have been taught for 2 generation by our education system to hate America, it won't be black against white. This will be a cultural war of ideas. If you look at history theses type of revolutions have killed millions.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: AutomateThis1

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: dantanna
a reply to: HalWesten

they have protocoled for a civvilwar.
it sucks, no matter who wins in nov, the 'other' side will go to war.

i know people who are moving south.

im trying to figure out plans now, we only have the summer.

im furious, the nationless scumbags who rule the world got their wishes.





I doubt there would be a civil war. I don't think people are ready to kill each other over politics. And if they are, then ima work on moving to Canada.


People on this very thread are threatening a civil war. But it won't be a civil war, it will be a war against people of color lead by the Boogaloo movement, the KKK and aryan brotherhood.


Jeffin Christ.

Do you understand how ignorant that statement is?


Obviously not, he says stuff like that all the time.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: HalWesten
No. There will be a point when those of us that love our country will retaliate. It will be very ugly, many people will die, many things will have to be reconstructed but we will not give away our country.

We're not there yet. There is still hope that a civil war isn't necessary.



Those of us you say, those of us that love our country you say...

You're a lunatic, a very dangerous lunatic at that.


That's the problem with people who think like you do. If we don't agree to your socialist/communist thinking, we're the lunatics. There is a difference between those who would protect our nation and our Republic, and those who want to tear it down using any means, including violence. A violent attempt to destroy our country will be met with overwhelming violence to stop it.

Again, I'm not talking about tearing down statues or spraying graffiti on walls, I'm talking about your side's vision of changing our government by force. Not gonna happen. That's all I'm saying.




Like I said you're a lunatic.

You are talking of using violence as a problem solver.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: HalWesten

I know. Just wanted to point it out.



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