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Is the USA going to die soon as a nation, with the assistance of both political parties?

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posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 07:54 PM
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The coronavirus has caused shutdowns that have caused the near total destruction of the US economy and an unemployment rate of nearly 14%.
Instead of working together the Democrats say that Trump is personally responsible for the virus destroying the nation. Trump may not have handled it the best but the Democrats have worked hard to put every roadblock possible in place they could to working together to handle this issue. Both parties have done nothing but make matters worse by blaming each other and actually making things worse because they refuse to work together on this national issue.

Rather than acknowledge a virus is not political and nothing politicians do, or do not do, will make it go away, politicians blame and blame and blame those not at fault for the virus. This is killing the USA

The protests/rioting/looting are actually being encouraged by politicians who go and march at the protests, and the media who cheer the protests on. During a pandemic! The same politicians decry and attempt to stop every large gathering of people during the pandemic. Yet the media and some politicians are encouraging the protests.

Not surprisingly, and never mentioned in the media is that the protests have directly caused a 2nd surge in the virus, the timing of the surge could not be clearer that it was caused by the protests. Worse yet the virus kills and badly sickens black people at a disproportional rate, yet politicians have encouraged the black community to gather in large numbers, many without masks, to protest/riot/loot. I see this as a form of black genocide by the media and the elite political class. This will kill not only the black community but the nation as well.

The destruction of monuments and statues that have nothing to do with slavery is also being encouraged by the elite political class and ANTIFA and BLM. A statue of Lincoln was torn down, along with other statues that have nothing to do with slavery. It seems to me that this is an effort to cleanse the USA of it's history and identity. (I am fine with statues of confederate generals being removed). When people kill the history of a nation, it means repressive totalitarian rule and a Stalin and Mao style cleansing is just around the corner. I see this as a sign of a welcome death of the USA as a nation by the elite political class, ANTIFA, BLM, the Squad (AOC etc).

Congress is spending money with no regard to the debt. Venezuela did this and I think this is exactly where the US is headed financially. The US takes in only 3 Trillion a year in revenue, and spent that alone in one bill and plan to spend nearly that much in another bill. The US will be financially dead soon as a result.

I know Trump has his faults, that I acknowledge. However, Biden is clearly in the throws of dementia and I am shocked that the Democratic Party who have acknowledged this put him forward as their candidate for President. This is another sign of the death of the USA. Trump or a man clearly with dementia to run the country. Democrats had so many other choices but instead chose a man with dementia, proving that he will not run the country but a cabal will tell him what to do and say. These choices tell me the USA is in the hospital on a respirator and dying.

I am terrified that within a short time the US went from a prosperous nation into a nation clearly in trouble.

I am terrified that so many liberals/progressives/Democrats/ANTIFA/BLM clearly and very openly hate, loathe and despise the USA very openly and want to turn the nation socialist/communist. I am sad that the people who love the USA, or have a single conservative thought, won't say it out of fear of losing their jobs, being doxed, being destroyed by social media. When people are terrified into silence due to the repercussions, we have lost freedom of speech and freedom of thought entirely. Freedom of speech is dead in the USA if one loves the country. Another death knell.

At this point, I am afraid the nation is too far gone, the two parties unwilling to work together, the animosity and hate between the left and right so strong that we are imploding entirely. Worst of all the elite politicians and the media have encouraged this hate for ones fellow citizens and have encouraged division and hate between the people of the nation. I have not heard any elite politician call for unity, it does not serve their political purposes, it seems they think hate and blame and division best serve political ambitions. The USA has lost it's soul.

No matter who is elected I fear the USA is too far gone and will soon become like China with deep repression and 24/7 surveillance of every citizen, ruling people with a tight iron fist, helped by the tech giants who helped China build their 24/7 surveillance of it's citizens.

I fear that within a few years we will be exactly like Venezuela, we are entering the stage where Hollywood fawned over Venezuela before it fell and was utterly destroyed financially, with even the middle class starving, free medical care gone for all but the elite political class, no medicine for the ordinary person, only a few hours of electricity a day. That is exactly where I see the USA heading and the death of the nation is clearly at hand. Cheered on and actually encouraged by the elite political class and the mainstream media.
edit on 6/25/20 by The2Billies because: grammar



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posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 07:58 PM
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No. There will be a point when those of us that love our country will retaliate. It will be very ugly, many people will die, many things will have to be reconstructed but we will not give away our country.

We're not there yet. There is still hope that a civil war isn't necessary.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 08:06 PM
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Ugh, you're so depressing, I actually have faith in my fellow humans.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123

What gives you faith? What has happened that shows there is any hope? Just having faith in people who have worked hard to destroy the foundation of the country is meaningless without any concrete evidence there is hope.

I would truly like to hear why and what evidence you have for any hope for the nation when so very many people hate the USA quite openly, and are clear they want it destroyed, to be as the "old white liberal created slogan" that the USA needs to be "fundamentally changed".



edit on 6/25/20 by The2Billies because: addition



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

The number of people that love this country and you don't hear from is massive .



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 08:20 PM
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America is a country, but what America is, is an Idea that should be inherently true everywhere.


Don't kick my puppy



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: HalWesten

they have protocoled for a civvilwar.
it sucks, no matter who wins in nov, the 'other' side will go to war.

i know people who are moving south.

im trying to figure out plans now, we only have the summer.

im furious, the nationless scumbags who rule the world got their wishes.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

They are pushing for a cultral revolution, and if you look at cultral revolutions historically they have have cost million of lives.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: The2Billies
a reply to: Arnie123

What gives you faith? What has happened that shows there is any hope? Just having faith in people who have worked hard to destroy the foundation of the country is meaningless without any concrete evidence there is hope.

I would truly like to hear why and what evidence you have for any hope for the nation when so very many people hate the USA quite openly, and are clear they want it destroyed, to be as the "old white liberal created slogan" that the USA needs to be "fundamentally changed".


Lol, I can't give you evidence of "hope" for something that is based upon perception, you'll have to fight your own demons.

Perhaps, think beyond a one dimensional perspective maybe?

What are your personal experiences? Are you letting liberal media tune your optics? Are you seeing the narrative being pushed and you fell into a low info trap???

My evidence is my personal experience, how it relates to what is being reported and actual fact.

7th Largest city in the US with the 2nd Largest population in Texas and the overall southern states.

We did have some issues and drama, at the levels of heavy Dem states? No.

Maybe it's because normal working people are just too busy taking care of things, people help each other, services are robust, I see Trump flags with Bidens sprinkled in, maybe it's just my perfect little slice of heaven.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

I don't think the virus destroyed America financially. I do believe they use it as a cover because it is easier to contol the masses if they are afraid, lsolated, and fighting each other.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: dantanna
a reply to: HalWesten

they have protocoled for a civvilwar.
it sucks, no matter who wins in nov, the 'other' side will go to war.

i know people who are moving south.

im trying to figure out plans now, we only have the summer.

im furious, the nationless scumbags who rule the world got their wishes.


They have, but we're not going to fight a skirmish and that's what they don't understand. What I'm talking about is the destruction of the people who make that final move. Not just slapping them, destroying their will and possibly them as well. Would I go out and pick a fight with a flaming liberal? No. I don't want to put myself in harm's way as a physical fight could end my life from bleeding out. What I'm talking about is a genuine battle where a majority of people are involved. Standing our ground, protecting what's right by destroying the enemy. They're going to have to fire the first shot but they won't fire the last. An old friend explained a simple fighting tactic way back in jr. high. He said you hit until the person goes down, then you keep hitting until they can't get back up.

Before anyone calls me a keyboard warrior, I already said I'm not going to go out and pick a fight. What I'm talking about is defending this country from domestic terrorists and communists that want to destroy our nation. But it goes deeper than that, that level of commitment means all hell has broken loose, our government - local, state and federal levels have been physically compromised and are disintegrating or have fallen. Here's where it gets real. What we're seeing right now is nothing in comparison. We're seeing skirmishes, vandalism, idiots that don't know their heads from their asses and are just angry because mommy and daddy didn't give them what they needed to build their character and make them strong.

The scenario I'm talking about is the point where hundreds of thousands or millions will die in this fight to save or destroy our nation. At that point I won't be worried about my physical health, I will be doing what's necessary for my country. I didn't grow up believing the USA was a free-for-all like Bernie, or a nation that must live under government control like Hillary. No, and they aren't going to take it from us either. Not without a massive fight.

God willing, it won't come to that. That's not what I want.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 09:10 PM
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Trump may be an obnoxious troll, but one thing is for sure, he loves the USA and it isn't just a saying, the proof has been in the promises made and kept. The left does not, period end of sentence.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: panoz77

What makes you so sure? Trump has sold division from day 1.
Being a troll is not recieved well by stupid people.
He's been the centerpiece to destabilization.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: HalWesten
No. There will be a point when those of us that love our country will retaliate. It will be very ugly, many people will die, many things will have to be reconstructed but we will not give away our country.

We're not there yet. There is still hope that a civil war isn't necessary.


That sounds threatening...

Do you plan on killing American citizens? How will you identify the one's that need killing?

Do you plan on joining the Boogaloo, Proud boiz? You can tell us...
edit on 25-6-2020 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies
Hah! Too many people only wish! No my friend, we will be here for some ages to come. Not only have Russia, great Britain, Greece and Mongolia not disappeared, Turkey is actually bringing their empire back!! That ought to tell you cannot keep the good old USA down.

It's a reshuffle in the power structure, and the old power is very angry and lashing out. After se come out the other side the USA will be a nation reborn. And with the number of federal judges being confirmed, it will last generations. Imo, as someone who now only uses the internet sparingly without a dedicated connection, folks online get so dang anxious and depressed too easily.

We are having a do over of the 1970's, but because of the information saturation it makes nervous people tick and easy to sway. Just get a #ing grip already! I spent the afternoons with my kids at the park cleaning up trails and then playing around other kids at the playground. Despite the 100+°F heat index. I found it to be quite pleasant actually since I am a person of the sun and love the heat. I wish I wasn't working the weekend because then I could go paintballing.

I suppose I could enjoy a beach sunset Saturday .
Just get out whether or not someone says your allowed to or not.

Here is something that may help you. My observation is, the less internet contact you have, the less you start to want it.



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 10:19 PM
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Oh my goodness !

So somebodies panties got in a wad today.

Do you people even go out into the real world like normal people? You know, go to work every day, eat out , go buy stuff everywhere do donuts in the intersection downtown because cops are not around like in highschool ?



posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: panoz77

What makes you so sure? Trump has sold division from day 1.
Being a troll is not recieved well by stupid people.
He's been the centerpiece to destabilization.


Trump is not divisive, the left is. Being a master troll has been the best entertainment I have ever witnessed, watching liberals heads explode and destroy themselves and Karen over his every word has been 3 years of free ROFLs every day. Again, promises made and promises kept, no other president can say that with any honesty. Trump owes nobody and bows to nobody.



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 01:00 AM
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I had a bad day yesterday. A bunch of reasons. I was thoroughly bummed by the time I got to bed, bummed about this country's prospects over the next few years.

This morning I mentioned it to my daughter. She said, "Dad, it's going to work out. It did for you. It will for us."

edit on 6/26/2020 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 01:03 AM
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originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: panoz77

What makes you so sure? Trump has sold division from day 1.
Being a troll is not recieved well by stupid people.
He's been the centerpiece to destabilization.


Trump is not divisive, the left is. Being a master troll has been the best entertainment I have ever witnessed, watching liberals heads explode and destroy themselves and Karen over his every word has been 3 years of free ROFLs every day. Again, promises made and promises kept, no other president can say that with any honesty. Trump owes nobody and bows to nobody.




Being a master troll has been the best entertainment I have ever witnessed

But being that, causes division and hate....



posted on Jun, 26 2020 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: panoz77

What makes you so sure? Trump has sold division from day 1.
Being a troll is not recieved well by stupid people.
He's been the centerpiece to destabilization.


So says cNn




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