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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: neutronflux

So, how many angels, exactly, can dance on the head of a pin?


Prove that was actually a scholarly topic. Or just a false argument and innuendo? I hope you know the supposed history of the term.

But yes. That is exactly what Pachomius’ argument amounts to. Pointless definitions that lead to no evidence.

If a person believes in god. That reason and the evidence is different for each person.




posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Does true faith require proof?
Does the seeking of evidence imply a lack of faith?

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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: neutronflux

Does true faith require proof?
Does the seeking of evidence imply a lack of faith?


That is what is the absurdity of this thread, it only takes faith.

As far as evidence. If you have a personal relationship with God, you don’t need evidence.

I really don’t think people need evidence.

They either go to church for station, which is sad.

Or people reach for a relationship with God because they are spiritually more whole with God than without God.

And some don’t need God at all.

Again. A relationship with God, not believing in God, or riding god’s coattails in the USA is supposed to be a personal thing.

I think that is a blessing. Where people are forced into a religion is a curse.
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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:03 PM
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Sorry. I wasn’t trying to ignore the evidence part. God doesn’t speak to me in words. More like moves through my spirit. But to me, it would be like someone asking, “do you have evidence you have a mom and dad.”

I am sure this post reveals some psychological aspects of faith.

But for me there is evil in the world. If there is evil, then there is good. If there is good in the world, then there is some supreme moral authority that dictates what is good. Or some “pure” being that sets the standard.
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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:09 PM
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But Pachomius wants evidence to prove god. Then that means scientific method. And Pachomius is failing miserably. Creating definitions, changing the definition of evidence to cook the books, and not providing actual evidence is not helping the individuals case. Then those who do have a personal, or working relationship with God, the whole thing is ridiculous.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

I don't question faith.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: neutronflux

I don't question faith.


But one should take stock of what they believe, and why.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: Phage

I guess understand why is the better statement.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Always.
But if the basis of that belief is faith, then what? It gets a bit circular.


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posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: neutronflux

Always.
But if the basis of that belief is faith, then what? It gets a bit circular.



Or you can just go with it. And try to honor “good” by loving your neighborhood as much as humanly possible. While trying to give more than you take.



posted on Jul, 11 2020 @ 09:32 PM
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That's more common sense than faith.

Either can be lacking in some.

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