Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

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If you want to believe in a God its a matter of faith.

originally posted by: Pachomius
Dear Neutron, let you and me talk about existence, okay?

I tell you there are two kinds ultimately of existence, permanent existence and transient existence.

I must commend you all for your learning and subtle intelligence.

Still I can and do make this categorical statement:
"There are two kinds ultimately of existence, permanent existence and transient existence."

Can you persons of learning and subtle intelligence refute my statement?

a reply to: Pachomius

Can you persons of learning and subtle intelligence refute my statement?

Why would I even want to refute it?

And

Why is calling attention to obvious so important to you?

a reply to: Pachomius
That which permanently exists is the space in which everything appears and disappears.

originally posted by: Pachomius

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Pachomius


OK , I'm Game . But First Please DEFINE in your Own Conceptions , your Personal Beliefs about this Ambiguous Term " GOD " .

God is the permanent self-existent cause of man and the universe and everything transient, i.e. with a beginning and an ending.

And my explanation for His existence is that existence is composed of permanent existence and transient existence, transient existence came from permanent existence, and permanent existence is God Himself as per my definition of God above, and I have evidence in the object world that God exists, because (evidence) the nose on our face is everywhere and all the time not going to fall off uncertainly - that points to the presence of God everywhere and all the time keeping it on our face.

Still not proof of god.

And your still contradicting yourself.

You

because (evidence) the nose on our face is everywhere

But it’s not everywhere according to you.

originally posted by: Pachomius
Addendum 2


For all ye self-smart colleagues here, no need to bring in good and evil to factor in on the issue God exists or not.


When and if ever you get to see the big picture of things, i.e. on the realm of existence above all other realms, that realm of existence where God dwells, there is neither good nor evil, it is all pure existence.


Good and evil, that is what humans do to fellow humans, and starting with evil or with good feelings and deeds toward one another.

So god has nothing to do with “good” nor “evil” to you! And mankind can “create” things and reality that is independent of your supposed god” so you yourself stated god is not everywhere.

And you have nothing to offer on a personal level. And you cannot differentiate how a person’s life would be different in not believing in your god vs believing in your god.

So. What’s your point again. You believe a god exists like any other religion.

With no change in existence of a person doesn’t believe in your god.

a reply to: neutronflux
I imagine that if you believe in God as something that will judge you then you would be more tolerant and kind.

Love thy neighbor and all that....

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
I imagine that if you believe in God as something that will judge you then you would be more tolerant and kind.

By pointing out Pachomius contradicts him/her self?

And how would I offended the “god” Pachomius has put forth?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
I imagine that if you believe in God as something that will judge you then you would be more tolerant and kind.

By pointing out Pachomius contradicts him/her self?

And how would I offended the “god” Pachomius has put forth?

Your God is the only one you should worry about.......not anyone elses.

Pointing out is one thing and continual attacking is another.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
I imagine that if you believe in God as something that will judge you then you would be more tolerant and kind.

So. Because I have “love” for creation, I cannot debate a person who is willing to debate by calling everyone “religious” because they don’t follow Pachomius self serving circular logic.

Pachomius Is another example of a person who wants to believe in god, but in their own terms and define god in their own image.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

In fact. Pachomius version of god only exists because Pachomius exists and thought it up.

Oh, the irony.....

a reply to: neutronflux
And maybe your God only seems to exist because someone or some book told you about it.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
And maybe your God only exists because someone or some book told you about it.

But I am not going around showboating I have “proof” of God. I have faith in my God.

And that is all Pachomius has. But even less. Just faith in their own circular logic.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

And isn’t the Bible a testament to God’s existence by generations.....

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Itisnowagain

And isn’t the Bible a testament to God’s existence by generations.....

Well that appears to be your belief.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Itisnowagain

And isn’t the Bible a testament to God’s existence by generations.....

Well that appears to be your belief.

And you have free will to believe otherwise.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
And maybe your God only exists because someone or some book told you about it.

More like for me personally. I have felt God’s presence from hiking mountains all by myself, to working wheel chair ramp building and home rehabilitation mission trips, and in pray. A faith of spirituality that dovetails with the Bible while trying to be the hands and feet of God. Being part of the body of God.

Producing something tangible.

Now. What impact has Pachomius god made on lives?

a reply to: Pachomius

I have felt God’s presence from hiking mountains all by myself, to working wheel chair ramp builds and home rehabilitation mission trips, and in pray. A faith of spirituality that dovetails with the Bible while trying to be the hands and feet of God. Being part of the body of God.

Producing something tangible.

What has your god done for people?

What use is your little g god to me?

a reply to: neutronflux

If I may? I thought OP was simply trying to show the
secular community. That God (upper case as it is in
the heading) can be shown to exist by his hypothesis.

a reply to: neutronflux

What use is your little g god to me?

How do you use your God?

originally posted by: Randyvine
a reply to: neutronflux

If I may? I thought OP was simply trying to show the
secular community. That God (upper case as it is in
the heading) can be shown to exist by his hypothesis.

Then, by all means show / quote where the poster departed from religion to provide a credible and tangible evidence that would convince a secular person. Especially someone believing in the universe was only created by an intelligent free Big Bang.