Originally posted by Squincha
I've just got an idea if you beleive in the big bang (I do). Correct me if im wrong It states that all matter was a giant Ball that blew up and
is filling the universe. now my idea is, were did the mass come from to blow up and what is there now? I think its a HUGE blackhole because when
certin stars blow up the create black holes. any suggestions?
Nygdan made good points to all this, to which I'll just add my own as much from science fiction as science so bear with me.
Let me preface this by saying I don't believe in Alphas and Omegas as much as I do infinite cycles. So considering I can't "start at the
beginning" allow me to just jump in here in the middle, and tell me where this is wrong please.
Suns form naturally by understood scientific principles and all suns die out by understood scientific principles. But not all suns form black holes
when they do die out. They must at least be 4 times larger than our own sun (for example), so we've established some do and some don't form black
holes (assuming the theory of black holes is accurate). And there's a temporal element to the formation of a black hole, meaning it does take place
in real space time (though it does eventually impact it, but I think I can avoid going there for this discussion). The point being, one started before
all the others. I don't know if there's a theory of super black holes or not, but let's call that one it. Not "the first" as you'll see, but the
relative first in this cycle.
If there's a theory as to how black holes end or the death of black holes, I'd like to see it, but my premise is they don't end. They grow and grow
with one eventually including all the others and all matter in the Universe in it's own infinitely dense singularity. (This may be what you're
saying Squincha). It may not have had to be literally the "first" to form, just some relationship of "early" and near the center of this
"Universe" to make gravitational and temporal elements make it "the last" or Big Black Hole.
While from our limited perspective it may be seen as all matter being "destroyed" in the infinitely dense singularity, white hole theory tells us
it's possible there's an other side. Now current white hole theory maintains the black hole exit is out there... somewhere, whether in our own space
time, or a new one, there's an exit.
And for the life of me I can't see why white holes aren't mini big bangs of a sort. "Mini" being a relative term. Now I'm not exactly applying
the linear multiverse theory that we exist along side other Universes and maybe those are created by the white holes of another, nor am I saying the
entire Universe is but an atom in another Universe and so on and so forth, because either of those is a causal based Alpha and Omega linear
I'm saying at some point the Big Black Hole takes everything through the Big White Hole with no matter or energy loss forming another Universe, or
rather reforming this one... over and over and over. It even take the matter from other white holes before it in the process. Nothing is lost.
There's just not much matter in the Universe, so try and understand where I'm coming from. I've seen previously that current theory estimates the
universe is 0.0000000000000000000042% matter, with the rest being empty. And even at the denistiy of our own sun could fit in a relatively small area,
but we know singularities are infinitely dense, inescapable, never grow in size but they do in gravitational impact, and "could" contain all matter
in the Universe quite easily. Correction.. almost
all matter, as per either Big Bang theory or this of Big White Hole.
So why not a Big Black Hole (eventually) and Big White Hole on the other side...which in my thinking isn't the other side at all, but the exact same
place once all matter turns the tide of near infinite gravity to near infinite repullsion... aka a big White Hole.
It may sound like the exact same thing as Big Bang theory, but it's not. It might
just solve some paradoxes created by black hole theory, and
the loss of matter. But I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, so just a thought.
[edit on 14-3-2005 by RANT]