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reply posted on 16-3-2005 @ 01:58 AM by ANOK
Originally posted by DeusEx
Clearly, everyone is fond of weed. Now, how about someone adresses my points? Weed is fine, weed is good...the people selling it, growing it, and profiting from it by and large are not.

DE


Oh and I guess selling and profiting from LEGAL pharmaceutical drugs that cause people to be suicidal is OK.
Selling and profiting from a LEGAL beverage that when consumed by some ppl causes them to kill other people is OK.
Selling and profiting from a LEGAL substance we know KILLs people is OK, don't smoke?
How about it being OK to profit from a common object that not only causes pollution but also KILLS ppl...your car.
You probably support the right to own a gun also, yes? They KILL people.
You probably support your government, they KILL people.
You probably support the capitalist system, it KILLS people.

Wow do we have our priorities right or what

Weed, pot, ganga, nuggets, buds, trees, hashish, Mowie Wowie, Northern Lights, White Widow, hemp, has never KILLED anybody.
And most of the people that grow and sell weed are people just like you.
They don't form corporations that pay your government to go to war to maintain their profit margins. They don't send jobs to overseas sweatshops and then gouge the US public for essential needs.
Everything you hear in the news is highly exaggerated. Pot is not the problem you think it is. And if it was then I would be looking as to why, not at the pot intself, but in society. Don't blame the pot.

Leave the weed alone, there are a million things more dangerous!
And millions benefit from it.
Who are you to tell someone what they can use to get their head straight?
I don't like coffee, if you drink it, I want you to stop. See how stupid that sounds?

(Edited: Sry I'm stoned, forgot some stuff)

[edit on 16/3/2005 by ANOK]


reply posted on 16-3-2005 @ 11:19 AM by DeusEx
Originally posted by ANOK
Oh and I guess selling and profiting from LEGAL pharmaceutical drugs that cause people to be suicidal is OK.

You mean like ketamine, or antidepressants? Frankly, the pharmecutecals that can make the people who aren't supposed to take them are many. Here's the new plan- DON'T DO DRUGS. Oh, by the way- pot has been linked to higher rates of schizophrenia later on. Damn, so much better!

Selling and profiting from a LEGAL beverage that when consumed by some ppl causes them to kill other people is OK.

Yes. Because the booze causes them to kill others, not their own anger, or irresponsibility.

Selling and profiting from a LEGAL substance we know KILLs people is OK, don't smoke?

Smoking weed is roughly the same as smoking cigarettes. So, scratch that arguement.

How about it being OK to profit from a common object that not only causes pollution but also KILLS ppl...your car.

Your argument is getting weaker by the second. How about personal responsibility? Cars don't spring to life and crash into each other. I'll admit, I'm not fond of the pollution, but hey, hybrid and electrics are coming out, so there's an alternative.

You probably support the right to own a gun also, yes? They KILL people.

People kill people. There's a person behind the trigger, every time.

You probably support your government, they KILL people.

I'm a Canadian- my government doesn't run around invading other countries. AS for deaths caused by cops, 99% of the time I'm on the cop's side- along with anyone who knows JACK about the real world.

You probably support the capitalist system, it KILLS people.

Coomunism doesn't work, capitalism doesn't work, so I'll take the one where I don't get dragged out of my hosue in the dead of night and shot.

Wow do we have our priorities right or what

Weed, pot, ganga, nuggets, buds, trees, hashish, Mowie Wowie, Northern Lights, White Widow, hemp, has never KILLED anybody.
And most of the people that grow and sell weed are people just like you.
They don't form corporations that pay your government to go to war to maintain their profit margins. They don't send jobs to overseas sweatshops and then gouge the US public for essential needs.
Everything you hear in the news is highly exaggerated. Pot is not the problem you think it is. And if it was then I would be looking as to why, not at the pot intself, but in society. Don't blame the pot.

Pot doesn't kill people, people kill for pot. THAT is the problem. Dealers shoot each other. The profits head back to organized crime, which kills people. Gangs and bikers and mafioso steal, rape, kill, blackmail, extort. Damn, that's appealing. Like I said, I don't take issue with pot. I take issue with the PEOPLE WHO SELL IT TO YOU.

Leave the weed alone, there are a million things more dangerous!
And millions benefit from it.
Who are you to tell someone what they can use to get their head straight?
I don't like coffee, if you drink it, I want you to stop. See how stupid that sounds?

Then again, I didn't shoot four mounties over that coffee, did I? Grow up, and look beyond your next hit. Follow the money, think of the consequences beyond yourself.

DE



reply posted on 16-3-2005 @ 02:27 PM by dnero6911
OMG... I'll try to be nice.. no name calling and all ..

Here goes.. .

To address the off topic first...

About XTC... or "MDMA" in specific...
there is also some fabrication ..
and once again people dying is due to the fact that there is a lack of information on the subject... therefore ignorant people

"Super-strength pills - the myth

Media reports of a recent ecstasy-related death have focused on so-called super-strength pills. We'll leave it to the experts, Drugscope, to explain why this isn't the real reason Lorna Spinks died:

"We need to dispense with the idea that the tragic death of Lorna Spinks and the other eight victims of ecstasy so far this year, had anything to do with 'super-strength' ecstasy or rogue or contaminated batches" says Harry Shapiro, from DrugScope.

"Many drug users will often take two or more ecstasy tablets together meaning a combined dose far higher than the one that killed Lorna.

"Most forensic tests on 'rogue' E's reveal primarily ecstasy with little evidence of contaminants that could possibly have accounted for these deaths. Nobody really understands the physiological reasons as to why Lorna died when her friends who took exactly the same drug did not. Nor it appears was she a first time user."

So why do some people die when taking ecstasy?

Heatstroke

Ecstasy stimulates the nervous system. In a club setting this can encourage users to dance for long periods of time, and if the place is hot and humid then overheating problems can occur. If body temperature exceeds 40 degrees there is a real risk of fatal respiratory collapse. MDMA, the active chemical in ecstasy, is believed to have some anti-coagulative properties (which means blood can't clot properly). Under these conditions, for some people this can lead to massive bleeding, both internally and externally, and ultimately death. Warning signs include:

* Cramps in the limbs
* Fatigue and faintness
* Headaches and vomiting
* Inability to pee that's more severe than usual on e, even if you feel the need"
www.thesite.org...

Okay .. .now again ..

Your arguement DeusEx is a very ignorant one as well..
"Because the booze causes them to kill others, not their own anger, or irresponsibility."

Off topic as usual but again ..
"Booze" kills people itself.. it causes strokes and seizures when you STOP administering it... .. i.e.. If you drank for a whole week straight and you stopped you are at a very high risk of having a stroke or seizure.. now, I'm not talking about moderate drinking.. no .. I'm talking about the drinking that really goes on, where the deaths happen, where once again, weak minded people along with a horrible dibilitating substance will suffer and then die, especially without the proper attention.
As for the anger related deaths with "booze"
That is the persons problem, not the booze... the booze is like a magnifier, and an excuse... (from society) because lots of drunks are lushes and could care less.... but the angry people use it to prove they're more angry because of the chemicals realeased in their mind.. because an angry individual already has a different chemical make-up prior to drinking so the alcohol will react to the chemicals already there. Shall I continue? or do you get my point...

NExt...

Smoking weed is roughly the same as smoking cigarettes. So, scratch that arguement.

Yes... Very roughly ... it would be the same as standing upwind near a fire..
BUT ... Cigarettes have some UNNATURAL chemicals added to it, to preserve it... Should I continue, or do you get my point?.....

Next

Your argument is getting weaker by the second

Yes yours sure is...

Next.. Cars? ... Well being ignorant of certain senses... sight, or speed control are PEOPLE problems.. again we stem back to the person, not the excuse ... and pollution .. well heck .. its the price you pay for NEEDING to get somewhere fast.. right?

Next...

People kill people... Not guns... hrmmm... I don't know any doctors who pulled any humans out of anyone.. other than a c-section .. I know doctors who take bullets out of people though..
but than again, thats not the gun... its the bullet... right? technicalities are useless when you still remember the source... same argument with the satan thing.. well if god created everything than he's respondsible for satan .. what a mean guy .. yeh .. okay.. and once again its the person... not the substance or object...

Next..

I'm a Canadian- my government doesn't run around invading other countries. AS for deaths caused by cops, 99% of the time I'm on the cop's side- along with anyone who knows JACK about the real world.

Yeh, me too ... and yes.. actually heard of MK-ULTRA? .... Hrmm.. our government drugged people unwillingly ...
We carry guns too, we've killed people overseas... sure we aren't the biggest bully... but if the bigger bully died... we'd be target number 1...

Your idea about cops.. (way off topic... but anyhow) ...
Suppose no ones on the highway ... so your going 120KM/H...and then you fly by a cop ..
You're a criminal .. yeh, look at the speeder.. so dangerous.. He's killing people and raping them .. yup.. but nonetheless... a criminal .. a criminal is one who breaks the law... so don't think they're on your side "buddy" you could just as easily become their enemy...

Your kick about communism ..

Sorry but what we're experiencing has never happened in history before..
it isn't communism, it isn't christian or islamic.. it's a movement of people who want to control THEMSELVES.... choosing their "major" deciding whats good for them ... not everyone else.. only the individual knows whats good for the individual at the appointed time..
This is something NEW... not old..
in the old society of hunter/gatherer... (which still exists.. i.e. New Guinea Tribes) ... you cannot go to the elder and tell him to assemble the youth because you want them to think for themselves... "think for themselves??" the elder will say .. Choose their major??? Theres only two majors.. hunter or gatherer... Not today .. it is a new thing .. it isn't communism, capitalism.. it isn't religeous.. or democratic.. ...


Next....

Pot doesn't kill people, people kill for pot. THAT is the problem. Dealers shoot each other. The profits head back to organized crime, which kills people. Gangs and bikers and mafioso steal, rape, kill, blackmail, extort. Damn, that's appealing. Like I said, I don't take issue with pot. I take issue with the PEOPLE WHO SELL IT TO YOU.

People are NOT killing for POT... They are killing for themselves.. they are killing for their rights... their freedom.. that's just the medium they choose, like you choose your ranting and raving about substances and objects to express your freedom.. You take pot away from those people, they will still do it.. I am only stating a fact.. they'll continue their search for freedom somewhere else, with a different object or substance..

Next...

Then again, I didn't shoot four mounties over that coffee, did I? Grow up, and look beyond your next hit. Follow the money, think of the consequences beyond yourself. .....

No you didn't, but take that coffee away from you and see what you do ..
it isn't the object or substance.. its the thing we can't see.. called freedom .. start recognizing it..

The freedom to choose your majors... choose wisely... open your mind..

Thank you ..


EDIT: Oh sorry I forgot to get back to the thing I agreed with ..
schizophrenia... it isn't exactly schizophrenia, it's related, but clinically different.. just like all schizophrenics aren't dangerous.. some just appear "weird" ... not big deal there... but yes.. I'll agree with you, but not totally.. because no where have I seen it "dangerous.." yes weird.. but never threatening.. just different perceptions.. who cares if people don't agree with the norm .. theres a lot of heavy game players out there.. .addicted to the character they play... egos are great..



[edit on 16/3/05 by dnero6911]


reply posted on 16-3-2005 @ 04:01 PM by Seraphim_Serpente
Quote: "Cigarettes have some UNNATURAL chemicals added to it."

Yes that is True. Cigarette Manufactures actually add all of these Chemicals to their Product - they Say to Preserve it - but in fact it just makes it more Addictive. They Sell more Product & Make more Money - Simple!

Due to the Current ILLEGAL Status of Cannabis - said Cannabis Market is a so-called "Black-Market"! When you have such a High Level of Demand on a Commodity that is Illegal you have People (Usually Criminal) that will step up & take the Risk to Supply it. They are usually Rewarded with *HUGE PROFITS* since they can SET THE PRICE TO WHATEVER THEY WANT! These aren't usually the Nicest People in the World - they usually do end up adding lots of Chemicals to the Cannabis while Growing it (Same Mentality as the Tobacco Corps).

Solution - if Cannabis were Legalized I can Grow my own - if I wish it to be *ALL ORGANIC* - it will be! The Government can Regulate (18 & Up) & Tax it! BOOM there goes the Organized Crime Mafia Element! The Government is SOOOO Stupid - can't they see that it is THEIR OWN Unbelievably Ridiculous Policies that are causing all of these Problems! They are actually FORCING People in their 20's to go to Criminal Drug Dealers to get their Pot! As has been stated before these people don't really care about you - they only care about making Money - so it is not abnormal for them to also try to Sell you Cocaine or Heroin or some other TRASH while you go get your Synthetic Crappy Bud from them! NO Thank You! I don't WANT THAT CRAP! What I WANT is *Organic All Natural Cannabis* put on this Planet by GOD for me to Smoke!


[edit on 16-3-2005 by Seraphim_Serpente]

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reply posted on 16-3-2005 @ 04:19 PM by DeusEx
Originally posted by dnero6911

About XTC... or "MDMA" in specific...
there is also some fabrication ..
and once again people dying is due to the fact that there is a lack of information on the subject... therefore ignorant people...

So, you're telling me that MDMA had nothing to do with the fact that they died? They simply made the choice to keel over at a rave? No. E, much like any other drug, is dangerous. People- especially young people- become reckless and irresponsible in its use. It comes back to the choice of the user. Just like I could use a hammer to help me build a birdhouse, or kill my family in their sleep. The hammer is nothing but a tool. People make the choice to ABUSE DRUGS, and they must suffer the consequences.


Your arguement DeusEx is a very ignorant one as well..
"Because the booze causes them to kill others, not their own anger, or irresponsibility."

It's well backed up that, yes, an excess of booze will kill people. And people who go to bars, get in fights, bust heads...it's a choice. Whatever happened to personal responsibility. You're frobbing back and forth, saying one second that you are for it, then suddenly you are above and beyond the rules.

NExt...

Smoking weed is roughly the same as smoking cigarettes. So, scratch that arguement.

Yes... Very roughly ... it would be the same as standing upwind near a fire..
BUT ... Cigarettes have some UNNATURAL chemicals added to it, to preserve it... Should I continue, or do you get my point?.....

Oh, and the occasional dexxed joint does not? What about your papers? Because, you know, the bleach they use on them is terribly natural...

Next.. Cars? ... Well being ignorant of certain senses... sight, or speed control are PEOPLE problems.. again we stem back to the person, not the excuse ... and pollution .. well heck .. its the price you pay for NEEDING to get somewhere fast.. right?

Nothing is free, sorry. Magic isn't going to get me to work. Cars are an unfortunate byproduct of modern living. Cars do not kill people. People kill people. I've said it once, I've said it again. People, not inanimate objects, make the decisions that end lives.

Next...

People kill people... Not guns... hrmmm... I don't know any doctors who pulled any humans out of anyone.. other than a c-section .. I know doctors who take bullets out of people though..
but than again, thats not the gun... its the bullet... right? technicalities are useless when you still remember the source... same argument with the satan thing.. well if god created everything than he's respondsible for satan .. what a mean guy .. yeh .. okay.. and once again its the person... not the substance or object...

The trigger doesn't pull itself. The hammer doesn't cock itself, and the safety does not randomly go on and off. You don't like guns, don't buy them. In the meantime, try to sort out your twisted ideology- pro drug, pro the violence it breeds, but anti gun?

Next..

I'm a Canadian- my government doesn't run around invading other countries. AS for deaths caused by cops, 99% of the time I'm on the cop's side- along with anyone who knows JACK about the real world.

Yeh, me too ... and yes.. actually heard of MK-ULTRA? .... Hrmm.. our government drugged people unwillingly ...
We carry guns too, we've killed people overseas... sure we aren't the biggest bully... but if the bigger bully died... we'd be target number 1...

Oh yes, not China, or Russia, or Europe. Of course we'd be the biggest target, since we have so many nukes and troops and a history of oppressing the weak! [/sarcasm] MK-ULTRA was a CIA operation conducted on Canadian soil. LINK; en.wikipedia.org...

Your idea about cops.. (way off topic... but anyhow) ...
Suppose no ones on the highway ... so your going 120KM/H...and then you fly by a cop ..
You're a criminal .. yeh, look at the speeder.. so dangerous.. He's killing people and raping them .. yup.. but nonetheless... a criminal .. a criminal is one who breaks the law... so don't think they're on your side "buddy" you could just as easily become their enemy...

The rules are the rules. That's the way the world works- you can't play nice, you don't play at all. Breaking the law is breaking the law, so don't do it. Novel idea, no? Since I abide the laws, they are on my side.

Your kick about communism ..

Sorry but what we're experiencing has never happened in history before..
it isn't communism, it isn't christian or islamic.. it's a movement of people who want to control THEMSELVES.... choosing their "major" deciding whats good for them ... not everyone else.. only the individual knows whats good for the individual at the appointed time..
This is something NEW... not old..
in the old society of hunter/gatherer... (which still exists.. i.e. New Guinea Tribes) ... you cannot go to the elder and tell him to assemble the youth because you want them to think for themselves... "think for themselves??" the elder will say .. Choose their major??? Theres only two majors.. hunter or gatherer... Not today .. it is a new thing .. it isn't communism, capitalism.. it isn't religeous.. or democratic.. ...

Uhhh...what does that have to do with the reds, aside from your attempt to justify your hedonism? And, by the way people trying to 'think for themselves' happens every twenty or so years. Remember the beginnings of punk? Hippies?

Next....

Pot doesn't kill people, people kill for pot. THAT is the problem. Dealers shoot each other. The profits head back to organized crime, which kills people. Gangs and bikers and mafioso steal, rape, kill, blackmail, extort. Damn, that's appealing. Like I said, I don't take issue with pot. I take issue with the PEOPLE WHO SELL IT TO YOU.

People are NOT killing for POT... They are killing for themselves.. they are killing for their rights... their freedom.. that's just the medium they choose, like you choose your ranting and raving about substances and objects to express your freedom.. You take pot away from those people, they will still do it.. I am only stating a fact.. they'll continue their search for freedom somewhere else, with a different object or substance..

So, killing cops, innocents and other criminals is a right? Breaking the law is not a right. You're jsut not understanding- pot is a cash crop for bikers and gangs. It provides funding for their way of life, which is violent and destructive. You'll know, when you choose your 'major', maybe open your own bussiness, and they cut off your fingers because you wouldn't pay protection.

Next...

No you didn't, but take that coffee away from you and see what you do ..
it isn't the object or substance.. its the thing we can't see.. called freedom .. start recognizing it..

Yes, since your assumption that I am a coffee junkie, and that other coffee junkies would respond by grabbing their guns and shooting cops is an astounding leap of logic. jefferson said 'your right to shake your fist ends where my nose begins.'

The freedom to choose your majors... choose wisely... open your mind..

Thank you ..

EDIT: Oh sorry I forgot to get back to the thing I agreed with ..
schizophrenia... it isn't exactly schizophrenia, it's related, but clinically different.. just like all schizophrenics aren't dangerous.. some just appear "weird" ... not big deal there... but yes.. I'll agree with you, but not totally.. because no where have I seen it "dangerous.." yes weird.. but never threatening.. just different perceptions.. who cares if people don't agree with the norm .. theres a lot of heavy game players out there.. .addicted to the character they play... egos are great..

The issue is that schizophrenia and diseases like it are debillhiltating. They are vastly unpleasant, which is an issue. Wierd is not.

DE



reply posted on 16-3-2005 @ 04:36 PM by dnero6911
What you're not realizing is, that I DO know all of which you spew...

But in reality there are no "sides" like you claim ... no right and wrong..

its right for a cop to kill but wrong for a civilian
its wrong to pee on someone, but right to pee on someone when your in the bush and cut yourself bad enough (to cleanse the wound)

life is flux.... so is law, you cannot avoid the flux of the world.
so either one of us claiming this is the truth is stupid.....
I could become the victim of one of these crazed pot heads needing a fix and side along with you altogether... but if it ain't broke ... don't fix it..
and law is mans attempt at fixing stupid people... you can't... so just let them weed themselves out. Stupid people make stupid decisions... if they're to ignorant to see its stupid, then its their fault.. and NONE of your or my business, Chaos is generally good... a murdering physco will just kill you, but a murdering physco on acid might think about it... either that or their so "spaced" as people put it, you can reason them out of it.. you can't reason with sober people.. or people who think they're right... just like nazi's and the KKK....

I could just as easily pick your side of the fence and bash on the "pot heads" but pot heads have never been nothing but nice to me and treated me with respect, never stolen from me, and haven't hurt me.
Althoug all those people who think their right have physically hurt me, or stolen from me because they thought 'meh, he's wrong, or an idiot for liking those people or hanging out with "losers".... not only that they've been respondsible for mass violence against peaceful people

People who think they're right, never know when they're wrong.
and
People who think they're wrong, never know when their right.

So if you are seeking to be right, it's better to be wrong first... and have someone tell you you're right.

and no I wasn't assuming your a coffee junky,... just using your amazing example so you would understand what I was getting at...

Remember, it isn't the words that are important... its the meaning.
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