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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: neoholographic
Evolution does not disprove creation.
What if creation happened by a God you do not recognise 8 billion years ago and via panspermia brought life to earth 4 billion years ago?
That idea is perfectly consistent with evolution.
originally posted by: cooperton
originally posted by: TzarChasm
Okay so I am still having difficulty connecting dots between "monomers do not self polymerize" and "evolution is a lie, god is the only answer".
Because RNA/DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, there is remarkable difficulty in generating RNA/DNA chains via random chance. Nucleic acid (RNA/DNA) chains are necessary to code for protein production. If the DNA sequences cannot self-polymerize, then it shows that a highly orchestrated force must have been the original cause for these DNA sequences to conform into patterns that are 1,000,000 sequences long in the simplest prokaryote, to 3,200,000,0000 sequences long in the human being. Even the most rudimentary organism has a genome comprised of over 1,000,000 polymerized monomers... so if these monomers cannot self-polymerize, there must have been an intelligent force that organized it.
This Intelligent force is God of All, Designer of the Logos, and came manifest as Jesus Christ who insisted upon our birthright as children of this Most High Creator Being.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
See you did it again. You just jumped from one statement to another statement with no math or science to connect them.
You just assumed that this intelligent force has a particular identity without showing how you reached that conclusion.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton
Yeah you didn't show any math for that conclusion either.
You just sort of said "monomers do not self polymerize therefore Jesus"
but that doesn't explain how supernatural intervention works
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: cooperton
How do you expect someone to interact with this intelligent creator entity?
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: Phantom423
So your responses to highly technical scientific posts are not proper rebuttals, but mocking meme's, well good job.
This communications revolution has led to information overload, as people are inundated by countless messages from every quarter. Many respond to this pressure by absorbing messages more quickly and accepting them without questioning or analyzing them.
The cunning propagandist loves such shortcuts—especially those that short-circuit rational thought. Propaganda encourages this by agitating the emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by capitalizing on the ambiguity of language, and by bending rules of logic. As history bears out, such tactics can prove all too effective.
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Making Generalizations
Another very successful tactic of propaganda is generalization. Generalizations tend to obscure important facts about the real issues in question, and they are frequently used to demean entire groups of people. [whereislogic: 'those who argue against evolution are idiots asking dumb questions about monkeys that only show they don't understand evolution', that idea]
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Name-Calling
Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts. Name-calling slaps a negative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea. The name-caller hopes that the label will stick. If people reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative label instead of weighing the evidence for themselves, the name-caller’s strategy has worked. [whereislogic: in this case that label would be "idiots"]
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Playing on the Emotions
Even though feelings might be irrelevant when it comes to factual claims or the logic of an argument, they play a crucial role in persuasion. Emotional appeals are fabricated by practiced publicists, who play on feelings as skillfully as a virtuoso plays the piano.
For example, fear is an emotion that can becloud judgment. And, as in the case of envy, fear can be played upon. ...
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Some propagandists play on pride. Often we can spot appeals to pride by looking for such key phrases as: “Any intelligent person knows that . . .” or, “A person with your education can’t help but see that . . .” A reverse appeal to pride plays on our fear of seeming stupid. ["idiots"] Professionals in persuasion are well aware of that. [ so that's playing on both fear and pride at the same time, as is that meme about idiots; it's a very popular trick. Possibly the most frequently one demonstrated on this forum. Either on purpose or because the one repeating the argument or style of commenting, has fallen for it themselves and has picked up the behaviour, feeling intellectually superior to the ones he thinks of as "idiots", because of having had their pride and egos tickled for such a long time. Frequency of being affected by these tricks is also important during that time. I.e. what you choose to fill your mind with, what you choose to listen to. If you feed your mind with a continuous barrage of evolutionary propaganda and marketing, it has more impact on your intellectual superiority complex if the buttons of fear and pride are continuously pushed like that, with a reverse appeal to pride that plays on your fear of seeming stupid, or uneducated, non-scientific, etc.]
Slogans and Symbols
Slogans are vague statements that are typically used to express positions or goals. Because of their vagueness, they are easy to agree with. ...
... They sift the facts, exploiting the useful ones and concealing the others. They also distort and twist facts, specializing in lies and half-truths. Your emotions, not your logical thinking abilities, are their target.
The propagandist makes sure that his message appears to be the right and moral one and that it gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it. You are one of the smart ones, you are not alone, you are comfortable and secure—so they say. [there we have the reverse appeal to pride that plays on the fear of seeming stupid again along with a straightforward appeal to pride to nurture someone's intellectual superiority complex, feed it what it needs.]
How can you protect yourself from the types of people that the Bible calls “profitless talkers” and “deceivers of the mind”? (Titus 1:10) Once you are familiar with some of their tricks, you are in a better position to evaluate any message or information that comes your way. Here are some ways to do this.
Be selective: A completely open mind could be likened to a pipe that lets just anything flow through it—even sewage. No one wants a mind contaminated with poison. Solomon, a king and educator in ancient times, warned: “Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps.” (Proverbs 14:15) So we need to be selective. We need to scrutinize whatever is presented to us, deciding what to accept and what to reject.
However, we do not want to be so narrow that we refuse to consider facts that can improve our thinking. How can we find the right balance? By adopting a standard with which to measure new information. Here a Christian has a source of great wisdom. He has the Bible as a sure guide for his thinking. On the one hand, his mind is open, that is, receptive to new information. He properly weighs such new information against the Bible standard and fits what is true into his pattern of thinking. On the other hand, his mind sees the danger of information that is entirely inconsistent with his Bible-based values.
Use discernment: Discernment is “acuteness of judgment.” It is “the power or faculty of the mind by which it distinguishes one thing from another.” A person with discernment perceives subtleties of ideas or things and has good judgment.
Using discernment, we will be able to recognize those who are merely using “smooth talk and complimentary speech” in order to “seduce the hearts of guileless ones.” (Romans 16:18) Discernment enables you to discard irrelevant information or misleading facts and distinguish the substance of a matter. But how can you discern when something is misleading?
Put information to the test: “Beloved ones,” said John, a first-century Christian teacher, “do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions.” (1 John 4:1) Some people today are like sponges; they soak up whatever they come across. It is all too easy to absorb whatever is around us.
But it is far better for each individual personally to choose what he will feed his mind. It is said that we are what we eat, and this can apply to food for both the body and the mind. No matter what you are reading or watching or listening to, test to see whether it has propagandistic overtones or is truthful.
Moreover, if we want to be fair-minded, we must be willing to subject our own opinions to continual testing as we take in new information. We must realize that they are, after all, opinions. Their trustworthiness depends on the validity of our facts, on the quality of our reasoning, and on the standards or values that we choose to apply.
Ask questions: ...
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Do not just follow the crowd: ...
Using discernment, we will be able to recognize those who are merely using “smooth talk and complimentary speech” in order to “seduce the hearts of guileless ones.” (Romans 16:18)
originally posted by: neoholographic
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Scientifically, an intelligent design interpretation of evolution doesn't name the designer. It just says that the origin of life and evolution can't occur without intelligent agency. ...
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So, the logical inference to make when looking at biological systems is to see design with a purpose according to the world's biggest atheist and I haven't seen a shred of evidence that refutes that logical inference.
originally posted by: whereislogic
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You have probably heard of the Italian painter and sculptor Michelangelo. Though you may never have seen the original of any of his masterpieces, you most likely agree with the art historian who called the Italian genius a “marvellous and incomparable artist.” Michelangelo’s talents cannot be denied. Who would try to separate appreciation for Michelangelo’s art from acknowledgment of him as an outstanding artist?
Now think of the mind-boggling molecular machinery of life that thrives around us on earth. Appropriately, The New York Times quoted one professor of biological sciences as stating: “The physical marks of design are visible in aspects of biology.” He added: “Life overwhelms us with the appearance of design.” Is it intellectually honest to admire the design without acknowledging the designer?
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A Puzzling Omission
There is usually, however, a conspicuous omission in the carefully worded defense of intelligent design. That is the absence of reference to a designer. Do you believe that design is conceivable without a designer? Advocates of intelligent design “make no explicit claims about who or what this designer might be,” reported The New York Times Magazine. Writer Claudia Wallis stated that intelligent design proponents are “careful not to bring God into the discussion.” And Newsweek magazine commented that “I.D. has nothing to say on the existence and identity of the designer.”
You can appreciate, though, that it is futile to try to evade the question of the designer. How could the explanation involving design in the universe and of life itself be complete if the existence and identity of the designer were concealed or not even considered?
To an extent, the debate on whether to invoke a designer or not revolves around these questions: Would accepting the existence of a superhuman designer hamper scientific and intellectual progress? Is an intelligent designer called for only when no other explanation is offered? And does it really make sense to infer from the design that there is a designer? The following article will discuss these and related questions.
The book Information Theory, Evolution and the Origin of Life is written by Hubert Yockey, the foremost living specialist in bioinformatics. The publisher is Cambridge University press. Yockey rigorously demonstrates that the coding process in DNA is identical to the coding process and mathematical definitions used in Electrical Engineering. This is not subjective, it is not debatable or even controversial. It is a brute fact:
“Information, transcription, translation, code, redundancy, synonymous, messenger, editing, and proofreading are all appropriate terms in biology. They take their meaning from information theory (Shannon, 1948) and are not synonyms, metaphors, or analogies.” (Hubert P. Yockey, Information Theory, Evolution, and the Origin of Life, Cambridge University Press, 2005)
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
ABSTRACT:
Here, we report the self assembly and self polymerization of DNA monomers as effective targeted gene delivery vectors. It is well known that DNA self assemble and polymerize independently in nature. Utilizing the ability of DNA monomers to self polymerize, DNA units can be synthesized through self polymerization through a self-assembly process using three kinds of building units, respectively termed Y-shaped monomer A with three sticky ends (YMA), Y-shaped monomer B with one sticky end (YMB), and DNA linker (LK) with two sticky ends. Hybridization at the sticky ends of monomers and LK leads to nanohydrogel formation. DNA nanohydrogels are sizecontrollable by varying the ratio of YMA to YMB. By incorporating different functional elements, such as aptamers, disulfide linkages, and therapeutic genes into different building units, the synthesized aptamer-based nanohydrogels (Y-gel-Apt) can be used for targeted and stimuli-responsive gene therapy. Y-gel-Apt strongly inhibited cell proliferation and migration in target A549 cells, but not in control cells. By taking advantage of the natural ability of DNA to self assemble and polymerize DNA monomers,efficient cellular uptake, and superior biocompatibility, this Y-gel-Apt holds great promise as a candidate for targeted gene or drug delivery and cancer therapy.
originally posted by: Phantom423
You sound like a five year old demanding his cookies. Read the following article and weep.
Self-assembly and Polymerization of DNA Monomers with Controllable Size and Stimuli-Responsive Property for Targeted Gene Regulation Therapy.
Juan Li et al
ABSTRACT:
Here, we report the self assembly and self polymerization of DNA monomers as effective targeted gene delivery vectors. It is well known that DNA self assemble and polymerize independently in nature. Utilizing the ability of DNA monomers to self polymerize, DNA units can be synthesized through self polymerization through a self-assembly process using three kinds of building units, respectively termed Y-shaped monomer A with three sticky ends (YMA), Y-shaped monomer B with one sticky end (YMB), and DNA linker (LK) with two sticky ends. Hybridization at the sticky ends of monomers and LK leads to nanohydrogel formation. DNA nanohydrogels are sizecontrollable by varying the ratio of YMA to YMB. By incorporating different functional elements, such as aptamers, disulfide linkages, and therapeutic genes into different building units, the synthesized aptamer-based nanohydrogels (Y-gel-Apt) can be used for targeted and stimuli-responsive gene therapy. Y-gel-Apt strongly inhibited cell proliferation and migration in target A549 cells, but not in control cells. By taking advantage of the natural ability of DNA to self assemble and polymerize DNA monomers,efficient cellular uptake, and superior biocompatibility, this Y-gel-Apt holds great promise as a candidate for targeted gene or drug delivery and cancer therapy.
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
DNA monomers do not self-polymerize, so evolutionary theory is fantasy
Self-assembly and Polymerization of DNA Monomers with Controllable Size and Stimuli-Responsive Property for Targeted Gene Regulation Therapy.
originally posted by: Phantom423
This is the title of the article:
"Self-assembly and Polymerization of DNA Monomers with Controllable Size and Stimuli-Responsive Property for Targeted Gene Regulation Therapy."
You'll have to do a lot of scrambling to defend yourself. You can't do it. You won't do it.