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originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
There's a lot of "blame politics" going on in this and other threads that lament the "decline" of ATS.
As someone who has seen "it all," I can say with absolute certainty that 9/11 conspiracy theories, UFOology, and Secret Societies have been responsible for more aggressively impudent behavior than politics.
During a span of roughly 2006 - 2009, we were overrun with "9/11 Truth" activists who took issue with our general collective inability to believe their fictions. Scores of bannings resulted in aggressive retaliation in the form of hacking attempts and repeated denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks. There were (unsuccessful) attempts to DOX owners. Downright mean-spirited fictional stories were created about me and Springer on another popular 9/11 conspiracy website. They aggressively promoted it and sent people here to spread the lies.
Competing UFO factions (Aviary -v- can't remember) battled it out here. Resulting in bannings and more attempts to discredit ATS and its owners.
But among those topics mentioned above, none compared to the site-wide chaos from Sandy Hook discussions. There were several orchestrated attacks on ATS from bad actors promoting extreme fictions. Two (to my memory) took us down for days and required an expensive response. We even had a few moderators resign because of the actions of members.
So compared to the more popular conspiracy topics, political discussions are tame.
That being said, every so-called conspiracy has its roots in the political machinations of governments. Ignoring politics and the influence of political clandestine tactics ignores the root source of what we call conspiracy theories.
Politics is important.
originally posted by: galaga
I think back in the day, when mods didn't agree with your opinion, they would ban you. Ask anyone that has been here for over a decade. It drove alot of people away.
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
I'm sure you do realize that your graph is a heavily skewed and inaccurate graph, right????
Mud Pit didn't even exist for the first half of your graph. So it completely misrepresents the post distribution both before and after this point. To compare the two sides of the graph is like comparing apples and Yugos.
And, then what happened in 2016? (when Mud Pit skyrockets)??
So, who is it exactly that you think contributed to all of that...the republicans??? LOL!!!
I think the answer is pretty clear.
ETA - Also notice how General Conspiracies and Breaking dropped off to nearly nothing after Mud Pit's creation. Those posts just moved. This whole business of politics destroying everything on ATS is just noise and dust in the wind.
ETA2 - And let's keep going...Notice ATS posts dropped nearly 45% from 1.1m to just over 600k in 2013. I wonder why? FailBook went public in May of 2012, and really gained momentum in '14 (another drop in aggregate posts), yet Mud Pit wasn't even a factor then (according to your graph).
It was FailBook and other social media which made people
feelthink they were "relevant" and "important" (when they really weren't) which took down forums like ATS and many others.
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
You can see the general apathy trend following the 2012 elections. People just gave up, and this is particularly evident in 2014 with a large contraction of all types of posts. You can see this really well in your first graph.
Probably shouldn't go much further than that else I risk turning this into a political debate, but there are all sorts of other lessons to be gleaned from those graphs. Very telling indeed.