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Is I'm No Longer Liberal a New Trend?

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posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

No, but the idea of "group" is a little less rigidly defined on the right.




posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: mtnshredder

Yes. That's why I asked, are collectives, groups, communities, etc a left leaning thing only?

Do you need to remove yourself from a group to become an enlightened conservative or something?

Rhetorical question but no, some groups remove you from themselves because you are a conservative. Not sure what qualifies one to fall under your facetious title as a ‘enlightened’ conservative or something?

What’s your point?



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

No. I posted earlier about this. You can be a part of a conservative group without being conservative. They will welcome you usually and will agree to disagree with you on most topics. They won't ban you or target you unless you are truly obnoxious.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

This links back to your earlier claim that no one today has a problem with same sex marriage except religious extremists.

Sadly, that's not true.


So people can be religious and disagree, but not really care outside of their own actions. My wife is a die hard Catholic/Conservative and she is exactly that way. I'm basically Conservative, but not religious, so ya I don't really care either.

I would say anyone who doesn't have the view that they are doing some kind of abomination by baking a cake wouldn't really care today, and that type of view is truly a minority. Could be just a hand wave to these hard religious groups with little meat in it. I do have concerns when the Goverment steps in and dictates what religion need to accept that is a behavior, so there is that side.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Xtrozero

This links back to your earlier claim that no one today has a problem with same sex marriage except religious extremists.

Sadly, that's not true.

You do realize there is a difference between 'having a problem with it' and being willing to destroy someone over it... right?



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

What is destructive about extremists on the right and on the left is the tendency toward an authoritarian state.

Conservative values like a less intrusive government at all levels, fiscal responsibility, support for the rule-of-law and a strict interpretation of the Constitution.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Xtrozero

This links back to your earlier claim that no one today has a problem with same sex marriage except religious extremists.

Sadly, that's not true.

You do realize there is a difference between 'having a problem with it' and being willing to destroy someone over it... right?


I was responding to that member regarding their previous statement.

I haven't said anything similar to what you just said.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
The left also has an uncanny ability to consolidate around a target too.


If you mean a swarming pack of piranha with the smell of blood, I agree. We also saw that with the #metoo movement and it seems they are now shifting targets to BLM and LGBT, but in whatever direction they go seems to just continually spiral to some crazy level overtime, well past any reasonable point.


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posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Most people would be like your wife -- we're in a position where for the most part, daily life and our beliefs are not going to cause any conflicts with anyone else doing their thing.

The trouble only really shows up when something we are asked to do in our daily life for some purpose does cause conflict.

Think of the devout doctor asked to provide an abortion for the sake of convenience. We used to recognize this and had conscience laws on the books protecting the doctor.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

What is destructive about extremists on the right and on the left is the tendency toward an authoritarian state.

Conservative values like a less intrusive government at all levels, fiscal responsibility, support for the rule-of-law and a strict interpretation of the Constitution.



I agree, but which group at the grassroots level is the ones freaking out right now? Throwing the Constitution and the rule of law out the window. Which one is in a constant state of virtual signalling and using it as a weapon, and don't get me started with labels used as mini nukes...lol



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Throwing the Constitution out the window?

Well, I'd say it was that fellow in the White House who deployed the National Guard against protesters so he could take a short stroll for a photo op.

Or that same fellow threatening to send the US Military against Americans on American soil contrary to legal precedent?

That's a bit more destructive in my eyes than someone fining me for using the "wrong" pronoun I'd say.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: Khaleesi

And all left leaning groups are vapid communist like crazies right?

Seems to be a lot of generalizing going on about "the left". As always, everyone is an expert on half the political population...



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

The left are all commies and the right are fascists.

Except of course that the left is really fascist too. Fascist and Communist ... just like the Nazis.

IN a world where that passes for rationality ... what can you ask for.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Just send everyone to the gulags, and ghettos. Make it easy.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Lesbians are dealing with some awful crap, right now, from trans women, in particular. I wish all conservative and liberal women would lend a hand to help them...not that I know how to help.

Helping them is helping all women and girls. Some important women's issues are being hijacked and sabotaged by an aggressive, vocal segment of trans women who do not share a common experience with women and have no respect for our unique fears and need for protections.

They mock and ridicule our legitimate fears and mischaracterize them as 'transphobia.'

JK Rowling is the current object of their violent misogyny. We are talking about trans women that want to be treated and regarded as women in every way, yet with JK Rowling, their argument rests on the fact that some men (trans men) are excluded in the phrase 'women who menstruate.'

IOW these trans women are, in effect, male activists or trans activists -- they are not women's activists. They are men and their aggression towards women is exactly the reason I will never call them women. Women have disagreed throughout history...but we do not threaten to punch other women or tell them 'Suck my d*ck and b*lls, you c*nt.'

I do not want these men in same-sex spaces for women and girls. Their rhetoric and aggression towards women takes it off the table for me. No way.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

I think it's hard for some women to accept that the patriarchy has put on heels to come after us this time, and I don't say that lightly because for the most part, I think the concept of what most feminists think of as patriarchy is so much horsecrap.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I think it's hard for some women to accept that the patriarchy has put on heels to come after us this time, and I don't say that lightly because for the most part, I think the concept of what most feminists think of as patriarchy is so much horsecrap.



It's like when the woman costume goes on, they feel they have a license to unleash. No restraint. I was reading through some of the comments on JK Rowling's Twitter. I can say this, there is not one woman who opposed her views that used hostile, degrading, threatening language. And there were some women that gave their support to trans women -- absolute idiot virtue signaling women -- but they didn't try to terrorize other women in the process.

Maybe that is what they get off on...preying on women by pretending they're weaker and more powerless.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 03:37 PM
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It's funny but I look at things on an issue by issue basis.

So liberals consider me a conservative and conservatives consider me a liberal.

Neither of the top two political parties incorporate all my beliefs so I'm always on the wrong side.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: Wildbob77

Eh, I feel like the 'big tent party' label fits...at least in my experience. They welcome anyone and appreciate the support...even if you have some liberal views. Now, if you're a socialist, you won't find camaraderie, but they won't get pitchforks out and get you fired from your job either.




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posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

There is a difference between left and liberal IMO. I have no problem with liberals that haven't bent the knee to the leftist. That's what this whole discussion is about. Liberals are leaving in droves because the leftists have taken over and are attacking everyone including the liberals simply because they won't kowtow to every little aspect of their agenda.



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