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Thomas Jefferson statue toppled by protesters

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posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Not the same as being in the middle of town and in and around government buildings.
You know this.

If you want to read whatever book you go to the place that has them

So if you want to see a confederate statue then you could go to the place that has them

Nothing destroyed
Nothing erased

But that would involve a little compromise and we just can't have that now can we?




posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Granby

Where's the "compromise" when you all are tearing them down?

Don't DARE start asking for compromise.
edit on 16-6-2020 by DBCowboy because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: alldaylong

see my last edit in my post, that guy is a researcher that does a lot of black history tracing.



And the researcher said the figures where " estimates " if you read it.

The U.S. 1860 census shows the slave population as around 4 million.

See for yourself.

en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 16-6-2020 by alldaylong because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I am asking
Would you be ok with these statues in a museum?
NOT in town square



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: SolAquarius

They have long since captured Portland.......so what? Portland is no longer part of the US. Who cares? Sell it to the CHICOMS.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:12 AM
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Is excession a word?

LOL.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

I am asking
Would you be ok with these statues in a museum?
NOT in town square


No. Why?



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

I am asking
Would you be ok with these statues in a museum?
NOT in town square


No. Why?


So it's in town or nothing for you then?

Seems to me like its not really 'erasing history' that you care about.

seems like you want these statues out in the open, on government property and in peoples faces.

So no compromise then

got it



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: Granby

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

I am asking
Would you be ok with these statues in a museum?
NOT in town square


No. Why?


So it's in town or nothing for you then?

Seems to me like its not really 'erasing history' that you care about.

seems like you want these statues out in the open, on government property and in peoples faces.

So no compromise then

got it


And your idea of "compromise" is destroying them or removing them where they can't been seen.

So it's either threatening to destroy property or hide them.

THAT'S your idea of compromise.

We either do it your way, or you destroy them.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:41 AM
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If the concern with the statues is the preservation of history, it seems that the ideal place for them would be in a museum dedicated to that history.

Right?



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:41 AM
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And to add, I don't care if people are offended or get offended.

Being offended does not grant you special powers to destroy property or demand that it be moved.

If we caved to every dumbass who gets offended every time they saw something, we'd be a nation of simpering wimps-. . . . oh wow.

We're there now.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
If the concern with the statues is the preservation of history, it seems that the ideal place for them would be in a museum dedicated to that history.

Right?


Just as long as you are the one who gets to decide that.

Right?



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Gryphon66
If the concern with the statues is the preservation of history, it seems that the ideal place for them would be in a museum dedicated to that history.

Right?


Just as long as you are the one who gets to decide that.

Right?


Why would I decide it?

I don't give a damn either way about the statues. It's not up to me.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Granby

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Granby
a reply to: DBCowboy

I am asking
Would you be ok with these statues in a museum?
NOT in town square


No. Why?


So it's in town or nothing for you then?

Seems to me like its not really 'erasing history' that you care about.

seems like you want these statues out in the open, on government property and in peoples faces.

So no compromise then

got it


And your idea of "compromise" is destroying them or removing them where they can't been seen.

So it's either threatening to destroy property or hide them.

THAT'S your idea of compromise.

We either do it your way, or you destroy them.


No. Not destroy
Put in a historical museum

So things in museums are hidden now? Not to be seen?

If you want little Bobby to see the awesome confederate statues why can't you take him to the museum?

I don't see the problem.

You just want them out in the open cause it makes people uncomfortable because it is an everyday reminder of a terrible time for them.
Under the guise of history.


All kinds of things can only be found in museums. Does not mean they are erased.

Kind of where you put things you want to preserve and still let people see and learn about.

But not for you
Town Square or nothing!



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: Granby


You just want them out in the open cause it makes people uncomfortable because it is an everyday reminder of a terrible time for them.


I missed the part where the Civil War was a wonderful time for anyone.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
If the concern with the statues is the preservation of history, it seems that the ideal place for them would be in a museum dedicated to that history.

Right?


Because that is not the concern.
Museum is where they belong.

Kind of what you do with history.
Preserve. Make available to the people that want to see it.
Progress.


But nah
We need statues all over town and government of these great people that were for oppression and disbanding from the Union

cause that makes sense



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Granby


You just want them out in the open cause it makes people uncomfortable because it is an everyday reminder of a terrible time for them.


I missed the part where the Civil War was a wonderful time for anyone.



That's not Granby's argument, clearly.

2nd



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Granby


You just want them out in the open cause it makes people uncomfortable because it is an everyday reminder of a terrible time for them.


I missed the part where the Civil War was a wonderful time for anyone.



It wasn't
But other demographics are still having quite the time of it.
You know from all the years of indoctrination from other demographics.



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Granby


You just want them out in the open cause it makes people uncomfortable because it is an everyday reminder of a terrible time for them.


I missed the part where the Civil War was a wonderful time for anyone.



That's not Granby's argument, clearly.

2nd


My argument is common sense.

So DC
What do you lose by putting them in a museum?



posted on Jun, 16 2020 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: Granby

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Granby


You just want them out in the open cause it makes people uncomfortable because it is an everyday reminder of a terrible time for them.


I missed the part where the Civil War was a wonderful time for anyone.



That's not Granby's argument, clearly.

2nd


My argument is common sense.

So DC
What do you lose by putting them in a museum?



Ick. That's actually an appeal to authority ... the appeal to "common sense."

Ketsuko tried to strawman your previous argument.



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