Thomas Jefferson statue toppled by protesters

a reply to: Gryphon66

Exactly.

Saddam's statue was toppled shortly after his dismissal.

Timing is crucial.

a reply to: SolAquarius

It will interesting to see what the end game is... if the presence of and walking past statues that commemorate slave owners/bad dudes riles people up so much, what will opening that history book in 3rd period do?


I mean this is what it could come down to...

"Hey your kids really NEED to learn about this, so no we aren't removing this from the books"

or

"Hey, this topic is painful, and reminds us all of the tyranny, so lets just close these books and have a little bbq at recess. "

originally posted by: Zarniwoop
a reply to: Gryphon66

Exactly.

Saddam's statue was toppled shortly after his dismissal.

Timing is crucial.

Okay.

But the statue was still toppled. The assertion on the part of several here is that toppling statues is equivalent to book-burning. There was no context of time or circumstance.

I dont' agree with vandalizing public property. I was just asking DB a question I thought was pertinent to his request that we "convince him."

a reply to: Gryphon66

When do we start burning "Huck Finn" because it is offensive to some?

That's where I see this issue with statues.

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff
Time to head down to South America with jackhammers!
Those Aztecs used their temples for human sacrifices after all. Their art and statues depict it as well!

And maybe that's why we no longer have human sacrifices??


So when all the statues reminding people of the history of the slavery trade

are obliterated ........ Slavery could return??


Because as has been said many, many times ............

"Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It."

a reply to: Gryphon66

OK sorry to butt in

I think all this statue toppling crap is akin to book burning as well.

You can't, and should not, erase history in the form of artwork, IMO. It's artwork. That's it.

It IS time sensitive.

If anything, these cray people should keep the statues around for a reminder.

When are the majority of LIKE minded people who are tired of this Protest/riot/thievery/law breaking crap going to put their foot down and say enough is enough? Will it happen when the first group of protestors come into the Suburbs thinking they can do what they want? Or will it be when the first shot is fired from an armed citizen defending what’s his/hers? Or when a true American stands in front of a statue and say “NO more” and then gets beaten to death by the mob? Which one will cause the majority of like minded people to put the minority of like minded people down?
95% of the population is showing extreme control over letting the looting and riots to take place without retaliating.

Just my 2 cents.

a reply to: wdkirk

It may happen if they try to take the Alamo.

a reply to: wdkirk

Just my 2 cents.

That was like 3 or 4 cents, but who's counting?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: DougHole64

You want to defend the statue-topplers?

They're book-burners.

Convince me that they aren't.

Well its more then statues ..woke cancel culture has been going after comic books sci fi video games television over the last two years....but these last weeks it's like cancel culture got dialed up to 11

a reply to: SolAquarius

I can't wait until leftist monuments start getting taken down.

I guarantee the police and state officials would get involved then.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Gryphon66

When do we start burning "Huck Finn" because it is offensive to some?

That's where I see this issue with statues.

Toppling statues is vandalism.

Did you have a position on the toppling of the statues of Hussein, Lenin and King George III?

originally posted by: Zarniwoop
a reply to: Gryphon66

OK sorry to butt in

I think all this statue toppling crap is akin to book burning as well.

You can't, and should not, erase history in the form of artwork, IMO. It's artwork. That's it.

It IS time sensitive.

If anything, these cray people should keep the statues around for a reminder.

Oh lord no, butt in anytime. We all butt in on each other all the time as you well know.

To me the destruction of public property is vandalism.

If a city/state/whatever decides to remove the statues or change names ... that's the process working as intended.

a reply to: Zarniwoop

It's artwork.

First thing that comes to my mind when any of these statues are toppled is the guy who carved the SOB. Sculpture is sort of like the final frontier for an artist. It's a highly difficult medium on all fronts. I feel for anybody with the talent and skill for everlasting sculpture that can withstand the elements. It's a beautiful thing if you're tuned into this aspect.

Obviously this point is lost on most, and people are clearly unmoved by the potential beauty of looking back at where we all came from and seeing the progress that's ALREADY BEEN MADE. Nope the pain is too great. It's just TOO MUCH and we MUST DESTROY IT.

It's just the same old jam.

Like you said... it's artwork. Banksy gets to push buttons left and right and vandalize wherever the F he wants "in the name of protest".

a reply to: DBCowboy

Burning not necessary...

2011 - New Huck Finn will Eliminate Offensive Words

... "for decades, [Huckleberry Finn] has been disappearing from grade school curricula across the country, relegated to optional reading lists, or banned outright, appearing again and again on lists of the nation's most challenged books, and all for its repeated use of a single, singularly offensive word."

"this is not an effort to render Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn colorblind. ... Race matters in these books. It's a matter of how you express that in the 21st century."

a reply to: wdkirk

So, are you going out to the public square to put an end to all of this?

Or are you looking for volunteers?

a reply to: Gryphon66

I did.

I thought I explained it to my satisfaction.

They should have stayed up with signs stating what they did, why they were over-thrown, the horrors and atrocities they employed.

It would have been educational.

It would have fought tyrannical symbols with actual free speech.

a reply to: MarkOfTheV

Censorship by any other name smells just as foul.

(with apologies to Shakespeare. )

originally posted by: Zarniwoop
a reply to: Gryphon66

In principle, did you feel the same way about the statue of Saddam Hussein being toppled in Iraq?

Did we just have a regime change I missed out on?

yes,
we are now the Antifa States of America A.S.A.

This not just here in the united states its going on in England as well...likely in other countries too



England