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originally posted by: alldaylong
originally posted by: FlyinHeadlock
originally posted by: alldaylong
originally posted by: FlyinHeadlock
originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: SolAquarius
Jefferson owned slaves.
Fair game.
Romans owned slaves. Should we destroy their landmarks and statues in museums. What about the Mayans. They performed human sacrifices. Should we destroy their temples.
Why is Jefferson fair game and those two examples are not.
I thought this thread was about what is happening in America.
Who mentioned The Romans and Mayans ?
You thought wrong if slavery is "fair game". Blacks owned slaves in the US. Blacks sold slaves to the US. There is a black statue in La of a black slave owner. I know because I use to live by it. Bet nobody tears it down. Nobody alive today should feel any guilt for slavery. It was accepted back then just how Obama and Hillary were both against gay marriage to include Biden.
You have just confirmed what i have said. It's about what is happening in America.
Why ring the Romans and Mayans into it?
And no it wasn't " Accepted Back Then " Do you think slaves actually enjoyed it ? What a bloody ridiculous thing to say.
originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ketsuko
we're much more likely to still remember Thomas Jefferson and George Washington
We're much more likely to remember Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot so i am not quite sure what you are trying to say.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ketsuko
we're much more likely to still remember Thomas Jefferson and George Washington
We're much more likely to remember Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot so i am not quite sure what you are trying to say.
Everyone in the US certainly remembers King George III and a decent number of the British generals. We probably should have statues of them in parks to remind us why we have statues of Washington and Jefferson everywhere - petty tyrants like the ones who have decided that statues suddenly suck.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ketsuko
we're much more likely to still remember Thomas Jefferson and George Washington
We're much more likely to remember Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot so i am not quite sure what you are trying to say.
Everyone in the US certainly remembers King George III and a decent number of the British generals. We probably should have statues of them in parks to remind us why we have statues of Washington and Jefferson everywhere - petty tyrants like the ones who have decided that statues suddenly suck.
There was a statue of King George III in Battery Park in Manhattan ... in 1776 that stature got torn down by and exuberant lawless mob.
Nope. The Declaration had zero actual legal effect.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ketsuko
we're much more likely to still remember Thomas Jefferson and George Washington
We're much more likely to remember Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot so i am not quite sure what you are trying to say.
Everyone in the US certainly remembers King George III and a decent number of the British generals. We probably should have statues of them in parks to remind us why we have statues of Washington and Jefferson everywhere - petty tyrants like the ones who have decided that statues suddenly suck.
There was a statue of King George III in Battery Park in Manhattan ... in 1776 that stature got torn down by and exuberant lawless mob.
Oh, so you mean they did right after the Revolution?
So we are in the midst of a revolution? What regime are the tantrum squad going to implement? Will it be CHAZ?
He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.
At the time, i.e. July 4, 1776, the Declaration had no legal effect
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Fun fact, though, did you know that Jefferson put in a section about ending slavery as a part of the Declaration?