If you embrace a racial identity you are part of the problem

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: olaru12

Skin color isn't a culture.

However it is one aspect of group dynamics that helps define a culture. If you want to get all academic...let's go!!

a reply to: Jamie2018

No they don't unless your culture is racist by definition. Race and culture can only go hand in hand if that culture is racist.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Puppylove



It's easy to say all lives matter when you're not being killed because of your skin color by the police.

More white people are killed by police.
Do they count?
Black Lives Matter are just a racist organisation who want black superiority, not equality.

originally posted by: xuenchen
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,

😀

Excellent example. At the time that only included free white property owning men.

Quite a telling metaphor.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,

😀

Excellent example. At the time that only included free white property owning men.

Quite a telling metaphor.

Yes , at the Time a New Nation was going through " Birth Pains " but the Baby Survived for ALL MEN to this Day . The Greatest Nation that Ever Existed on the Face of this Earth because of those " White Men's " Vision . Are You Ashamed to Attack the Original IDEAL Yet Gyp ? ...Hmm....

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Puppylove

They've been saying we're human too and that their lives matter for 200 years now.

No one's been listening or outright ignoring them because of the color of their skin. We are beyond proper arguments because they don't work.

MLK wanted peace, unity and equality. They killed him because of it.

So in 200 years things have not improved?
I'd say black people in the USA have more opportunity and freedom to persue their dreams than in any other country in the world.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,

😀

Excellent example. At the time that only included free white property owning men.

Quite a telling metaphor.

Yes , at the Time a New Nation was going through " Birth Pains " but the Baby Survived for ALL MEN to this Day . The Greatest Nation that Ever Existed on the Face of this Earth because of those " White Men's " Vision . Are You Ashamed to Attack the Original IDEAL Yet Gyp ? ...Hmm....

Just curious, did the "Black Men's" help create this nation?

a reply to: Puppylove

Thank you -- great OP!

Race is only an issue because some people make it an issue. And some people will always make it an issue, and never for any good reason. That includes LEOs, so I don't doubt there is some racially motivated misconduct.

But it's wrong to kill anyone for the same exact reason and it's NOT skin color! Of course Black lives matter because ALL lives matter. Likewise, if Black lives don't matter, then NO lives matter. And, indeed, there are many others who have suffered the same fate as Floyd, but they weren't Black and their killings weren't hyped and propagandized then weaponized.

When we address the factors that allow bad cops to kill anyone and get away with it, we will necessarily also address the factors that allow bad cops to kill black people and get away with it.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Jamie2018

No they don't unless your culture is racist by definition. Race and culture can only go hand in hand if that culture is racist.

How many cultures are racist ?

Current list and past cultures 🌀

Great! All of you are on board with "there is no race, there is no racism" then perhaps you can explain why Black Lives Matter tears you all a new one.

You believe there is no race. The people in Black Lives Matter disagree. But you all love them and value them for the special luminous beings they are without regard to race ... you just want to tell them how to associate, how to think, how to act, what to believe, etc.

Okie doke.

a reply to: olaru12



Yes they did . Some Africans even Gained their Freedom during the Revolutionary War , but it Eventually Took a Internal Civil War to Abolish Human Slavery Altogether in America . The Country is Still a " Work In Progress " , and it takes TIME to Right All the Wrongs that Human Civilization Brings .......

a reply to: Bicent


Ummm...we’re also not ready for a...get rid of the cops scenario...anyone thinking they are is just whistling against the storm...

How on earth do you or anybody else think that we could possibly police ourselves...?

That’s why we have the rule of law...insurance...and police departments...and places of worship...because no-one is capable of living up to even the most basic of libertarian ideals...

The amount of responsibility involved...is staggering...and if you truly think your up to that task...then please lead by example...

There are so few...on this site...let alone out there in the greater unwashed...that even understand that...and frankly...no one...including myself is even close to...up to the task...


Can you honestly say that you can live a perfect lifestyle where you...do no wrong...?

Where your every moment doesn’t negatively impact any other being...

Cripes...this pandemic has exposed just how selfish people are in that regard...

Then add to it this looting and burning...disguised as protest...

Show me that person that can honestly say they...do no wrong...and I’ll show you someone in stasis...locked in an single moment...frozen in time...



It’s really not that complicated a concept...







YouSir

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I have to disagree here. The KKK was a supremacist group garnered from the most ardent racists of the dominant race at the time. They sought to deny equality and to keep the minority race in submission and second class citizenry.

Not entirely correct.

They were a group of people funded by the Democratic party to kill Republicans.

The majority of blacks at the time were Republican, after all...

They went to towns and told the blacks that if they did not swear fealty to the Democratic party then they would be lynched.

Over 1,200 whites were lynched by the KKK as well for not swearing fealty to the Democratic party.

So nice attempt to rewrite history there.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Because I disagree with race and racism. Black lives matter embraces race the very thing I'm trying to do away with.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Jamie2018

Of course, my family celebrates our roots, but in terms of having a cultural identity that the wider world and country marks? No.

That would be too much like some kind of white pride wouldn't it?

So, no, I don't have a cultural identity outside of being American, and being American is for everyone. Isn't that how it was presented to you in school and everywhere else?

Ummm...it was...

It’s what we grew up with...America...”the great melting pot”...

Except no one melted...or melded...which is why you find Chinatown...Little Italy...etc...

The US is unique in that regard...we are the most diversified country as far as races are concerned...still...the song remains the same...and like attracts like...and then we wonder why we somehow aren’t more integrated...

The simple truth is that we don’t wish to be...

We wish instead to be members of a tribe...


Obvious exceptions...obviously...





YouSir

a reply to: Gryphon66

Excellent example. At the time that only included free white property owning men.
Quite a telling metaphor.

Our Founding Fathers were not perfect men, and our founding was not perfect, but it's the best thing going, and we can be thankful they managed to give us the means and methods to amend and improve and work towards the ideal.

It is a deep disappointment that their deeds did not live up to their noble declarations, and we're still suffering the consequences for their failures and the failures of everyone since.

But we're not done yet, and it ain't over till it's over!

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Jamie2018

Of course, my family celebrates our roots, but in terms of having a cultural identity that the wider world and country marks? No.

That would be too much like some kind of white pride wouldn't it?

So, no, I don't have a cultural identity outside of being American, and being American is for everyone. Isn't that how it was presented to you in school and everywhere else?

Ummm...it was...

It’s what we grew up with...America...”the great melting pot”...

Except no one melted...or melded...which is why you find Chinatown...Little Italy...etc...

The US is unique in that regard...we are the most diversified country as far as races are concerned...still...the song remains the same...and like attracts like...and then we wonder why we somehow aren’t more integrated...

The simple truth is that we don’t wish to be...

We wish instead to be members of a tribe...


Obvious exceptions...obviously...

YouSir

It is interesting that the people who so vocally push diversity are the very people killing it.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I have to disagree here. The KKK was a supremacist group garnered from the most ardent racists of the dominant race at the time. They sought to deny equality and to keep the minority race in submission and second class citizenry.

Not entirely correct.

They were a group of people funded by the Democratic party to kill Republicans.

The majority of blacks at the time were Republican, after all...

They went to towns and told the blacks that if they did not swear fealty to the Democratic party then they would be lynched.

Over 1,200 whites were lynched by the KKK as well for not swearing fealty to the Democratic party.

So nice attempt to rewrite history there.

Hard to deny history isn’t it?

a reply to: Puppylove




" No they don't unless your culture is racist by definition "

Hmm... Who Decides to Write that Dictionary Pray Tell . ?

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

We're discussing things on a philosophical level. That means we need to discuss abstract concepts and ideas. Strict definitions need not apply as We're discussing concepts not necessarily fully defined or realized by strict definitions. So yeah get on the level of the discussion, and don't try and handicap it with pickibg nits.

You're not an idiot so you fully understand what I'm saying and implying and why.