Buffalo Police Knock 75 Year Old Man Down

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: rickymouse
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TWO BIG BAD COPS pushed the elderly guy
Really not necessary
Those 2 need a new profession

Well, at least that link had a video, and they did push him back and he stumbled just like the article stated. That guy was not an old frail guy, he was someone out trying to make a statement to the cops, probably an old sixties protester, some of those guys still are active. I did my protesting in the seventies, and I would have just kept to the side with a sign back then. I am sixty four and I am not dumb enough to go approach the cops after curfew like that when there are riots possibly going to start. That old guy is not too smart. It also looks more like he is bleeding from a scrape on the back of his head, a person's skin gets pretty thin when you get older, and head wounds bleed pretty well, even a scrape. Probably a mild concussion though. After the cops went by, did the other protesters help the old guy or did they just stand there and take pictures?

The two cops were suspended without pay for being agressive. I am sure that guy will get a settlement and maybe that is why he did it. His lawyer will sue the cops and he will make a bundle. I am sixty four, I have seen all kinds of stuff in my lifetime, including people setting up others so they can sue them. I do not know if that is the case, but my mind is open to all possibilities.

a reply to: rickymouse
Right after the 1st 2 paragraphs of the story, in the orig link

Re: twitter.com...

There's a big problem when videos like this are labeled as "graphic", and videos of police killing citizens, or being killed by citizens are scrubbed from the internet. (Both occurred this week.)

If (particularly) young people see the gore of real death (not games/movies), they will treat others' lives with more reverence and respect, IMO. Particularly so if they also can see how families grieve over the loss.

a reply to: rickymouse
All they had to do was escort him to the area they wanted him in.
I am GLAD they were suspended
They have NO understanding of how to handle their authority.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: rickymouse
Watch the vid, he was clearly pushed backwards.

What video, there is no video on that link, one picture and lots of writing, I could not see any link to click on for the video anywhere in that link.

The vid was in the middle of the story, in the link.

I have nothing to click on in that, ran the arrow over everything to see if it would make the click on icon. I thought it would be colored or the word video, but nothing. I saw the video now, and the cop did shove him and he did go back about three steps and then fell backwards. What is an older person doing out there, I guess not older people ever develop common sense. Or like I stated above, It may be a way of suing, I have seen a couple of people do stuff to get a law suit.

We had an older guy up in my home town, every year he did something and got thrown in the jail all winter, he counted on the nice warm cell in the jail to live in the winters. Well, he got an old shotgun with no bullets, and tried to rob a bank for twenty bucks.....he screwed up....he went to prison and he died in prison because it was a felony to rob a bank with a firearm. The cops hauled him in without incident, they knew he would not hurt a flea, but it was out of their hands, but then again he did not have to worry about not getting arrested to get in jail anymore. He was kind of simple and all the cops knew him and talked to him. Even the bankowner knew him and so did the tellers, he was always talking to everyone in Houghton. Everyone knew what he was doing, nobody was afraid of him.

some things are not as they seem sometimes. I would like to see what he said to them from the body cams, some people know how to push people's buttons.

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I think this video angle is actually the better one for this incident(it was in the original OP link, btw).

You can see him move, i wouldn't say aggressively, but certainly with an intent to move into the advancing line.

You can also see that when he goes down, the line pretty much stops.

This was an unfortunate accident, I don't believe for one second the cops where trying to push him that hard(you can see that in the other video).

I also think personal responsibility is still a thing, his actions have a lot of bearing on the situation he found himself in. Everyone has some degree of blame in this, let's not pretend otherwise.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: rickymouse
All they had to do was escort him to the area they wanted him in.
I am GLAD they were suspended
They have NO understanding of how to handle their authority.

Cops are trained to deal with criminals in crimes. Not for protests and for curfews with people who do not want to be restricted. Plus these cops are probably overworked and tense, there are cops getting shot and beat up, even an old guy could be a little nuts and pull a knife and stab them in the throat. We are old people, some of the old people were trained in the military...we are not harmless just because we are older. I may be in my sixties, and sore all over from years of abusing my body at work, but if I had to I could take almost anyone down in minutes if they let their guard down, And I was never military, but know how to protect myself if needed. Never assume an old guy is helpless.

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030


This was an unfortunate accident, I don't believe for one second the cops where trying to push him that hard.

More disturbing is the general attitude of not giving a f# once the guy's head was cracked open and bleeding in front of them... until some genius finally decides that an ambulance is needed, but even that decision felt like a lonnnng time coming within the context of a situation as serious as that.

They just seemed like a group of clueless dopes in uniforms.

Shocked as usual by the responses here-- this SHOULD be gut-wrenching to anyone with an ounce of humanity. The old man was not a threat and didn't deserve to be knocked to the ground with a concussion because of being out slightly past curfew.

If a cop did this to a 75-year-old who was violating his stay-at-home order last month, would ATS have the same response?

a reply to: rickymouse


Eh. Not so much

If you don’t find anything there repulsive in that vid, I’m not buying us a round ever. That is all....

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030


This was an unfortunate accident, I don't believe for one second the cops where trying to push him that hard.

More disturbing is the general attitude of not giving a f# once the guy's head was cracked open and bleeding in front of them... until some genius finally decides that an ambulance is needed, but even that decision felt like a lonnnng time coming within the context of a situation as serious as that.

They just seemed like a group of clueless dopes in uniforms.

I didn't see that at all, did you watch the video I linked.

The whole line stopped, they called for a medic unit. It's police in riot gear, they aren't just going to whip out a stretcher from their pocket and be able to airlift him out in the 20 second clip we saw.

a reply to: frogs453

My issue is his age. Whether he should’ve been there or not isn't the question in my opinion. Whether it was the cops fault or not isn’t really relevant. My issue is that they just walked over him. They could’ve let the cop who showed some concern check in him. This is sad.

If you notice the guy was trying to shake their hand, But they taught him that won't be tolerated. Anybody who watched this video and thinks that was ok, then I don't know what to say. Why push somebody backwards like that? For what? I will admit maybe not the brightest thing to do walking up to them during these times, but He tried to shake their hand and that is the response? I just don't get it and apparently those in charge didn't either as the cop has been removed. For those saying he slipped, maybe you have perfect balance and you are not older but being pushed backwards unexpectedly will cause the feet to tangle, and I guess shaking the guys hand and then leading him down the street afterward would have been too much to ask and a shove backwards instead is called for in that situation.

originally posted by: keenmachine
If you notice the guy was trying to shake their hand, But they taught him that won't be tolerated. Anybody who watched this video and thinks that was ok, then I don't know what to say. Why push somebody backwards like that? For what? I will admit maybe not the brightest thing to do walking up to them during these times, but He tried to shake their hand and that is the response? I just don't get it and apparently those in charge didn't either as the cop has been removed. For those saying he slipped, maybe you have perfect balance and not are not older but being pushed backwards unexpectedly will cause the feet to tangle, and I guess shaking the guys hand and then leading him down the street afterward would have been too much to ask and a shove backwards instead is called for in that situation.

He has a phone in his hand, or other similar device. Hard to shake hands when you are holding something.

Whatever, let the emotions and narratives flow.

It was obviously premeditated, you can see in the third video they all stomp on his head and throw a wild badger at him while he lay there bleeding and reciting the lords prayer. Then someone whips a cooler out and they all crack beers and laugh.

#FakeNews

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030

originally posted by: keenmachine
If you notice the guy was trying to shake their hand, But they taught him that won't be tolerated. Anybody who watched this video and thinks that was ok, then I don't know what to say. Why push somebody backwards like that? For what? I will admit maybe not the brightest thing to do walking up to them during these times, but He tried to shake their hand and that is the response? I just don't get it and apparently those in charge didn't either as the cop has been removed. For those saying he slipped, maybe you have perfect balance and not are not older but being pushed backwards unexpectedly will cause the feet to tangle, and I guess shaking the guys hand and then leading him down the street afterward would have been too much to ask and a shove backwards instead is called for in that situation.

He has a phone in his hand, or other similar device. Hard to shake hands when you are holding something.

Whatever, let the emotions and narratives flow.

It was obviously premeditated, you can see in the third video they all stomp on his head and throw a wild badger at him while he lay there bleeding and reciting the lords prayer. Then someone whips a cooler out and they all crack beers and laugh.

Wow you added a lot of extra stuff there when all you needed to say was the cop should have shoved him backwards, and he ended up falling cracking his head and he should have better balance. i don't think anyone has said anything near what you just wrote and makes me wonder why you post that at all. C'mon just say it, Sometimes the elderly need a good shove when having the nerve to approach the cops. Just own it and you won't need to add another post so dramatic.

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030


This was an unfortunate accident, I don't believe for one second the cops where trying to push him that hard.

More disturbing is the general attitude of not giving a f# once the guy's head was cracked open and bleeding in front of them... until some genius finally decides that an ambulance is needed, but even that decision felt like a lonnnng time coming within the context of a situation as serious as that.

They just seemed like a group of clueless dopes in uniforms.

I didn't see that at all, did you watch the video I linked.

The whole line stopped, they called for a medic unit. It's police in riot gear, they aren't just going to whip out a stretcher from their pocket and be able to airlift him out in the 20 second clip we saw.

For the sake of argument, maybe that cop had first aid, the old guy was in seizure, and has blood flowing out of his ear. I understand that their job is to push through..but, c'mon.

a reply to: FlyingFox

And they still suspended the cop?