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what if we looked for solutions instead of who to blame?

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posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:32 AM
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We all agree there is a problem. White folks, brown folks, even the slightly beige folks. Racism is on the mend, but not fast enough. And there is a problem with how cops in general treat black/brown folks. Not all cops and not all brown folk, but enough of them for this to be a problem.

So while it's nice to have a direction to point in, eventually, you get tired of pointing, and you either put you hand away, or find something else to do with it.

What does the group think about an independent agency, funded like a charity, who's goal it is to investigate police aggressiveness claims? People could serve on the board like jury duty, and keep a continued "jury of peers", who aren't always the same faces. It's an idea, and needs lots of help to iron out the bad things, but do you think it should be looked into?

If not, what should we do to attempt to find a fix to this issue?

But please, if you wish to criticize the idea, be sure you have an alternative.




posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: network dude

I think the solution is to have democrat mayors run these large minority population cities for a few decades.
They could then appoint minority chiefs of police to run their department's and have a push towards emphasising an extremely diverse police department.
That way the general public, but most importantly, minorities, will feel the police department represents their community.

And then blame whites and Republicans.

But honestly..
Wasn't the things I described supposed to help the situation?
It didn't work and its all because if lack of personal responsibility
edit on 4-6-2020 by Bluntone22 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: network dude
We need both. Where to place the blame, and solutions that actually address the problem.

I personally think every cop in this country should be legally required to wear a body cam, no excuses. If the cop shuts it off for any reason while on duty, that cop gets fired. And every cop needs to know up front the independent agency you're talking about is going to randomly review the footage from those cams even if no complaints have been filed. Body cams keep the cops honest, and they make it harder for citizens to cry brutality when there is none.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: network dude

If the unlikely should happen.. that a black man should commit a crime and get arrested.

Someone will always call out racism and blame the government for that mans crime.

As long humans are not 100% alike.. there will always be minorities that THINK that everyone cares about they look different then the guy next to him.

My point is.. it is all in their heads and it does not have to be color, it could be tits.. if you have small tits and feel bad about it.

You will feel everyone judges you on the size of tits... but that is not true... it is YOU that have a problem with it.. and you project that feeling on others that does not have that feeling.

Sure some might be racist and bullies.. but HEY I bet they are a minority them self.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

Grand Rapids, Detroit and Lansing would like to have a word with you.


When the states of emergency are over that is.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: network dude

All movements get hijacked and turn into a business model once donations and funding start accumulating. If racism ends they go out of business. Same for the PLO, NAACP, BLM...they are all businesses and sell racism.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Bluntone22

Grand Rapids, Detroit and Lansing would like to have a word with you.

When the states of emergency are over that is.


Don't forget Flint, Saginaw, Benton Harbor...



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

some of what has been happening isn't working. But some is. Just think of how different things are today, as opposed to in the 70's. 50 years and we have made some amazing progress. By the same token, 50 years and we are still dealing with people thinking that skin pigmentation somehow determines self worth. Stupid folk are stupid, not because of melanin of lack of it, but because they are just dumb.

I just think we need to enact some kind of solution for this particular issue. It seems the masses are ready to acknowledge it's a problem.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: Klassified

I like that idea, and with today's technology, there should be no excuses, or very few at best.
It's as much protecting the cops as it is the public.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: network dude

You can't live in the present if you can't get over the past.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: network dude

I think it's a great idea. Unfortunately, I believe there are groups of people who will never feel satisfied with the outcomes either way. Some people revel in belonging to a cause, and they value belonging to the cause more than they value the resolution that they purport to strive for. For if the cause went away, a part of their identity would vanish with it.

I'm sure this sounds cynical, but I believe it to be true, for factions on both sides of the issue. Not everyone of course. But many do get caught up in the cause, who are otherwise rudderless in life, and find a calling to own to, a sense of belonging to something worthwhile, where they can feel a sense of purpose and importance. They will fight to maintain their position and prop each other up as a united front. So as long as the sense of injustice is maintained, the group cohesion is strong and healthy.
edit on 6/4/2020 by new_here because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
What does the group think about an independent agency, funded like a charity, who's goal it is to investigate police aggressiveness claims? People could serve on the board like jury duty, and keep a continued "jury of peers", who aren't always the same faces. It's an idea, and needs lots of help to iron out the bad things, but do you think it should be looked into?


Nope. Too easy to hijack. If something like this was established, how quickly do you think it would be before Soros and friends suddenly became the benefactors of this oversite group?

Why don't the local law enforcement just allow all videos to be searchable by the public. Then by having no oversite you create massive public oversite. This current push by some to defund the police, or the continued removal of peoples rights to defend themselves, does nothing but make all the matters worse. If it hasn't become clear to most, it has become clear to some, that these nanny state ideologies does nothing but enable those that choose to exploit others. The local governments need to allow the people to be held accountable for their actions, but in so doing also allow the people to protect and defend themselves from those that wish to do harm. Law enforcement should go back to being what it is designed to do, provide assistance to the public when issues can't be resolved peaceably.

Placing blame of this person or that doesn't fix the issues, it only further acceptance of that behavior through complacency.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: network dude

The only real solution is robot cops. There are nearly 700,000 police officers in the USA. Anytime you have that many people doing anything you are bound to get the occasional # up.

Also, our view is intentionally skewed by the media. They amplify police violence with African-Americans and minimize police violence against all other races. We are being manipulated.

In reality, it would be just as heinous if that cop murdered a white guy, but highly less likely that it would have been replayed on the news over and over and over.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: network dude

That's no fun! This thread is bad and it's all your fault.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:11 PM
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that's a very good mantra, to look for solutions instead of everyone sitting around describing the problem.


unfortunately, racism or 'tribalism' isn't a cancer we can just get rid.

- when we see a male polar bear killing his Cubs, we don't intervene because that's what they do.
I can't imagine a reality in this universe where there isn't racism or where there is world peace.

for the same reasons we can't achieve world peace are the reasons why we can't get rid of racism.

there are no solutions to racism, it's not an equation, it's part of our human emotions.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Dismantle the DNC. They have been using race, sexual orientation, gender, and whatever they can to get votes. They ALWAYS bring up race in nearly every discussion.

Problems with the military? More diversity.

Problems at work? Not enough diversity.

Problems with voting? Racism is the reason.

Don't like any national policy? More than likely racist sexist homophobic straight white males are making and enacting that policy.

What this race stew of politics makes for is ANYONE in that supposed underclass will believe the nonsense if they want to or even just grow up being taught all of this is true and develop a very hostile attitude toward people such as myself. A white and straight male. A breeder as well, Pretty much the worse kind of person in the world at this point.

It will also brainwash younger folk into thinking they are "fighting the power" to be self loathing if they are white. It may even convince some of them to behave as if they are black. Hell, knowing the silliness of youth I would imagine there are young people that aren't "born" gay who decide to become gay or transgender or whatever because that is somehow a cultural advantage to them. The ever more cynical human being might even pretend to be gay, transgender, or even a race they are not just to get the advantages that supposedly do not exist for the "underclass". It's truly a HONK HONK world.

And all the while, here in reality, every white straight make knows that they are at the BOTTOM of nearly every decision made by any corporation or government action. You will be hired or promoted ONLY if there isn't the better option of choosing someone who is preferred DUE to their non white male straightness. The exception to that of course is small businesses which usually dont give a # about mandates on high from the government (and that is why they had to be punished the most by the false ass COVID 19 farce). Of course I will be called a liar and using my privileged white genes and ancestry to lie about that. But the truth is that white males that have created families are the least concern for anyone in the DNC or the democratic party.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: network dude

I've been listening to sports talk radio for the last two days.
A guest yesterday and a host today said some crap about how the current administration, trump obviously, will have to be voted out before this all gets sorted out...

Da fuk?

All this race, cop, etc...stuff has been going on long before trump was in office.

You want the real solution?
There isn't one unless the people doing the rioting want there to be a solution.
I don't believe that's going to happen.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: network dude

I honestly believe that if we enforced existing laws across the board, then we'd eliminate many of these issues.

The problem comes from State and local DA's who are politicized one way or the other and police unions keep cops on with multiple disciplinary problems.

Their biases show up in arrests, convictions etc.

Equal application under the law.

Is that too much to ask for?



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:17 PM
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I've been listening to sports talk radio for the last two days.
A guest yesterday and a host today said some crap about how the current administration, trump obviously, will have to be voted out before this all gets sorted out...


They had 8 years under O and it didn't.

They were lying.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 12:18 PM
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I think the following needs to happen:

Stop the 30 year long witch-hunt. It’ll probably has gone on for longer but I can only speak from what I have experienced.
There has always been this black person agenda, whether it’s current racism or past racism it creates a witch-hunt against white people but to the detriment of all other creeds and colours. I’m British if I go far enough back my ancestors were made slaves and butchered by either the nordics or Romans or nazis etc. but we don’t express anger at it happening but celebrate it ending.

Corruption happens everywhere by every race, creed and profession not just the police......a few bad apples don’t make a harvest. Why the uproar at the police in general when this is about one maybe more corrupt persons. Protest the corruption, stand up against crime, stop your own corruption that’s how you make a change, if every person who has joined in these ‘protests’ actually turned around woke up in the morning and said if I have wealth I’ll share that wealth, if I have food share that food, if I have a view share that view but from this day forth I eradicate all forms of corruption from my life - I’d say that would possibly change the world overnight.

Stop division..........I’m fascinated when I speak to the young today who believe they are pro human but class themselves as socialists and lefties.......Germany once had a political party called The National Socialist German Workers Party or more commonly known as The Nazis. We are told the Nazis were right wing. So socialism jumped from the right to the left - yet how do you get the left of today to see themselves in a mirror. I don’t believe much is left of the right wing these days as there is a huge centre with ideologies that swing both ways then you have this ‘left’ movement that is being run by an ex Nazi in George Soros - wake up and smell the coffee. Once they realise maybe the division can stop because then the power mongers and media have nothing to feed off.

Stop greed - every modern war or invasion has been about greed. Every colour and creed is guilty of it even me. A hunger for something new, something bigger or better. I’ve been poor and I’ve been rich. I’ve been the aggressor and the victim. Violence doesn’t care about creed or colour. It happens because it is human nature that has been trained over centuries to be like that. One thing that would never change something so in grained is more hatred and violence.......it’s simply stop the greed. This one world wage idea seems like the logical step. Destroy the current financial systems that determines value it’s a system that was invented by the greedy many many years ago when the world was less dynamic and a lot fewer people when everything was localised. Debt breeds resentment and resentment can develop into hatred then violence.
Imagine everyone can afford to eat, afford housing and education etc etc. Yes you will get freeloaders, yes people will take advantage but we are talking about changing the way we live our lives this could take decades or even centuries to get it working right.....hasn’t this ‘pandemic’ taught you anything.........it’s how basic society can be to still be able to function. Every human being on earth would eventually be equal.

I could go on and on. These are my thoughts and there’s a whirlwind of them inside my head right now.
Maybe witnessing the complete and blatant manipulation has made me crack.




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