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originally posted by: Helious
The United States of America has something called a Constitution, a Bill of Rights and certain guarantees unlike other countries in the world. Last night, the city of Dallas lost all forms of law enforcement as they were forced to pull back because of the number of protesters and the violence that was happening.
This, among many other reasons is exactly why the second amendment exists. You simply can not depend on the government to protect you, your family or your property in an emergency, a pandemic or any other situation that warrants immediate action.
Anyone from this point forward that advocates for taking guns away from lawful American citizens after all of this is in my personal opinion a traitor to this country and I will go a step further and say I don't even want to debate it with you. It's pointless.
Those people who were fired upon from the street most certainly should have returned fire. But, if you are not ready for it, the moment passes you like your life leaving your body. They got lucky it was paint, not lead.
People got to smarten up, arm up, be ready and KNOW YOUR BILL OF RIGHTS. Shoulda, woulda, coulda won't work from the grave, just make you a casualty statistic.
If you advocate taking firearms from law abiding Americans, I consider you as the enemy, pure and simple.
Anyone from this point forward that advocates for taking guns away from lawful American citizens after all of this is in my personal opinion a traitor to this country and I will go a step further and say I don't even want to debate it with you. It's pointless.
originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: Dwoodward85
Every other issue aside. A person, a citizen has the right to be able to protect their house, their family and their property. I won't claim to know the British heritage on rights because I don't.
What I know is that the Constitution of the United States says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". Now, many people want to argue..... You don't need a gun....... My contention is....... Uh, yeah, you do!
The police are happy to try to figure out how you and your family were murdered after the fact and try to bring people to justice, they just can't quite guarantee they can be there before that.
Once again, if you advocate for government confiscation of guns and against the second amendment, you are a traitor to this country, plain and simple.
originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: chr0naut
If someone is throwing a firebomb at your house, with you inside, shouldn't you have the right to shoot that person?
Well, the law around here does give us that right to defend our life and property from dangerous threats.
originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: rickymouse
Much love man, agreed! To be honest though, all the times I went hunting with my dad during bow season, I would freeze my ass off in a tree blind and let the deer walk right past because I had no interest in killing them. I just didn't wan't my dad to be disappointed with me so I always told him I never seen anything.
The first time he ever killed one and I had to help drag it back, I'll never forget it. I cried for days. Not because I'm weak and not because of anything else than I don't think we needed to kill it and it just didn't feel right.
originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: chr0naut
If someone is throwing a firebomb at your house, with you inside, shouldn't you have the right to shoot that person?
Well, the law around here does give us that right to defend our life and property from dangerous threats.
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Helious
Many ATS'ers have argued that the 2nd amendment exists for citizens to defend against tyrannical government?
Definition of tyranny - Merriam Webster
It appears to me, a foreigner, that the protesters are the ones standing up for rights enshrined in the Constitution, and which are not upheld by governing authorities, and that the enforcement officers stand on the side of a tyrannical government.
Also, are you advocating that citizens should begin shooting for defense?
I have definitely seen footage of the National Guard shooting rubber bullets at unarmed citizens standing on their own property. Please explain the Constitutionality of that?
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: chr0naut
If someone is throwing a firebomb at your house, with you inside, shouldn't you have the right to shoot that person?
Well, the law around here does give us that right to defend our life and property from dangerous threats.
What about when it is the National Guard shooting at you, from a distance, and you are on your own property outside your own house and just filming them? I have seen such footage.
Should you open fire in your defense?