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BREAKING: ANTIFA. Will be designated as terrorist group! FINALLY

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posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 06:24 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Gryphon66

See: thousands of videos, and their own social media outlets.

Or did you miss the part where their official mouthpiece declared war on suburban America too?

Believe me, I'd love to see them try it. But they're scrawny little cowards and don't have the stones for it.


Bull#.

If you have thousands of examples, show us one. Show us conclusive proof that there is a nationwide coordinated effort by this "ANTIFA" organization that is directing and promoting the violence in the streets.

Oh, what's that, you can't? Not even one?

What you have is a fantasy concocted by your media and filtered through your belief.

What, the jackwagon that said they were comig for the suburbs??? That was "the official mouthpiece"?

When I hear you as upset about cops, or rather, criminals in uniform, that have been BLATANTLY caught on video aiding and abetting the violence, attacking peaceful protesters, I might listen.

Or, and this is the real stickler, there is far, far more evidence of white supremacist groups coordinating their efforts ... would you like some?

Unlike you, I can back up my claims.




posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: Spider879


I get that's the ideal for which it stands, the problem is when America through it's institutions continue to fall short of those Ideals like the "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" i part, especially the life part ,that's what was being brought out,

Of course it is. A man lost his life unjustly. Precious few will disagree with that. George Floyd had a right to live out his life, and a rogue cop took that from him.

I don't mean to minimize that fact in any way by the following, but the simple fact is that people lose their lives every day... people of all races, all classes, all segments of society... and many of them by unjust actions of others. I would love to live in a world where no one was murdered, but the sad fact is that such is not this world. That said, I completely get that this was a cop, a person who was hired and given authority in order to protect the public, and he not only violated that trust, he became the very thing he was hired to stop.

The good news is I am seeing and hearing, amid the reports of looters and thieves and terrorists and hoodlums, reports of police standing up and trying to connect with the protestors. Many have been well received. We as a society have built this wall between the police and the public, and both sides are responsible. In my younger years, yeah, us hotrodders and the local cops had our differences... but we also respected each other. I knew if there was something serious going on I could go to them; I hope they knew that if they had ever wrecked chasing me down (OK, OK, trying to chase me down) I would be there to make sure they weren't hurt. Beyond that, we played our game of cat and mouse.

I want those days back.

In order to get them back, it will take concessions on both sides. People have to understand that whenever a cop arrives, his first and most important job is to control the situation. Period. If you are out of control, the cop has to bring you under control. Without control of the situation, the cop is placing himself and anyone else in the area into danger.

But cops also have to understand that everyone they meet is not a thug. They are not gods, and they have to accept that they have to deal with other humans. Those extra powers their badge gives them are to be used sparingly, only as necessary in the performance of their duties, and not as a stick to be used to bully others around them. They also need to understand that one bad cop... just one... is going to put all of their lives in danger. If people lose faith in the police, the police are on their own (and their performance during these riots is quite obviously not perfect).


I know not standing for the flag meant to a lot of people and will piss them off, but that was to get your attention that something is very very wrong.,

911 did indeed get our attention and it did indeed lead to societal changes (most of them not exactly good IMO), but those changes were not the changes the terrorists wanted. There's a world of difference between getting attention and offending the people you want/need attention from.

Again, if Kaepernick had simply used his platform to inform... as a NFL quarterback, he could get interviews from various sports anchors. He could easily have woven into those interviews the fact that he felt the police brutality issue was a major concern and he wanted to call attention to it. Let the people know what's coming so they understand what it means. Then, when he knelt during the anthem, the people who didn't understand would be offset by people who would tell them, "No, he's not disrespecting anything... this is what he's trying to do. I saw it on ESPN." He would still get the attention, and those giving that attention would then be concerned with police brutality rather than one snooty quarterback who didn't appreciate what he had.

I completely agree with the lack of accountability. That's what we need to concentrate on changing. That flag represents the fact we live in a country where we can change it... maybe it takes much longer than it should, and maybe we'll encounter much more resistance than we should, but we can change it. I never claimed the USA is perfect; it's just a damn sight better than anything else we have available. Remember, my heritage is part Cherokee. The Trail of Tears runs within 5 miles of my house. Yeah... certainly not perfect...


Side note but why the fk is the majority of the flags produced in China??..

AHAHAHA! For the same reason some dirty cop murdered a man in cold blood... Americans tend to not care like they used to.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 08:20 AM
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Yes. The same argument used during the pandemic. People die every day. It doesn’t matter.

Common in those who are fostering a dictatorship. The only important thing is the State.



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 08:29 AM
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... Antifa saved my life in Charlottesville. There’s no doubt about it, that they provided the security, you see. So the very notion that they become candidates for a terrorist organization, but the people who were trying to kill us — the Nazis, the Klan — they’re not candidates for terrorist organization status — but that’s what you’re going to get. You’re going to get a Trump-led neofascist backlash and clampdown on what is going on. We ought to be very clear about that. The neofascism has that kind of obsession with militaristic imposition in the face of any kind of disorder. And so we’ve got to be fortified for that.

“ America’s Moment of Reckoning”: Cornel West Says Nationwide Uprising Is Sign of “Empire Imploding”



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Fascists are very nervous when Americans stand up to them.

Not hard to identify the fascists ... they’re the one’s carrying Nazi flags.



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Sure. But they seem to come "undercover" as well nowadays:

NYC cops plow through crowd of George Floyd protesters with SUV

The irony is very strong with this thread, and I don't think the fascists need Nazi flags to be recognized as such. They can't all be holocaust deniers and eugenics driven dumbnuts, ya know. Some of them just wanna MAGA the mana, and they really seem to believe this is the way to move forward: ignore the underlying problem and blame the messenger. A reoccurring theme of sorts... who knew!
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posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Gryphon66

Sure. But they seem to come "undercover" as well nowadays:

NYC cops plow through crowd of George Floyd protesters with SUV

The irony is very strong with this thread, and I don't think the fascists need Nazi flags to be recognized as such. They can't all be holocaust deniers and eugenics driven dumbnuts, ya know. Some of them just wanna MAGA the mana, and they really seem to believe this is the way to move forward: ignore the underlying problem and blame the messenger. A reoccurring theme of sorts... who knew!


Hmm ... plowing a vehicle into a crowd of protestors ... that sounds familiar don’t it?

Yeah, here’s an example of what passes for “logic” these days...

MAGA hats are red, Bloods members wear red on their head; therefore MAGAs are Bloods.

Jesus Christ.



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

The nationwide uprising is a sign that the country is on the brink of descending into a state of mob rule. So no matter which side of this you're on, the argument can be made that we're screwed either way.



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: vor78
a reply to: PublicOpinion

The nationwide uprising is a sign that the country is on the brink of descending into a state of mob rule. So no matter which side of this you're on, the argument can be made that we're screwed either way.


... and then, defeated on facts, fearmongering.

This pattern is common, and predictable.



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: vor78
a reply to: PublicOpinion

The nationwide uprising is a sign that the country is on the brink of descending into a state of mob rule. So no matter which side of this you're on, the argument can be made that we're screwed either way.


... and then, defeated on facts, fearmongering.

This pattern is common, and predictable.


That's pretty funny. Have you even read some of the stuff you've been posting?



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: vor78




The nationwide uprising is a sign that the country is on the brink of descending into a state of mob rule.


Said "mob rule" was already the case, hence the protests. You're new to this?



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Yeah, this is embarrassing. You're right. Now I remember those several thousand people rioting, looting and burning several major cities across the country a few weeks back before the protests and vowing to continue until their demands for societal reforms were met. Good point.
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posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: vor78

Yeah. No, but you don't seem to get much anyway. Why bother?



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 01:01 PM
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If you believe that native born Americans who want change are terrorists and need to be dealt with, you are forfeiting your right to assembly and freedoms of speech.

I went to these protests last night on the side of anti establishment.

Just like cops there are bad actors in the crowds but unlike cops, our group was able to reign in these bad actors who threw water bottles at Trumpers and kicked them out of the protest.

Now the president is threatening to use military force to squash protests?

Does that not sound any alarms?!

If one group is under the boot of fascism we are all under it.

Martin Niemoller quoted it best:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

This is rebellion.
America is rebellion.
If the government becomes confident it can squash this protest, it'll just keep going.

Too many of you are happy enough with the scraps your masters give you, that you're willing to sell out your fellow man for a seat at the foot of the table.



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

So, you don't support Kaepernick's individual right to protest by sitting or kneeling during the National Anthem unless he does it loudly and to incite protests in others.

I guess people need the public's permission to individually perform a quiet, silent protest.

Got it!



There was no grand unveiling of Kaepernick’s sitting protest. Instead, Jennifer Lee Chan of Niners Nation tweeted out a photo of the anthem, unrelated to Kaepernick sitting. The story gained national attention later that night and the 49ers released a statement confirming Kaepernick sat for the anthem.

Kaepernick told the media after the game he sat because of the oppression of people of color and ongoing issues with police brutality..
www.sbnation.com...

Kaepernick started a movement of silent, peaceful protest. But, no matter what "he" did it wrong, as is the story with every protest..."they did it wrong".
NEWSFLASH!
Protests are supposed to be wrong.


You guys are hypocrites. You say you support peaceful protest, but you only really support it when you agree with the cause.

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posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: Psilocyborg
Now the president is threatening to use military force to squash protests?


Not exactly. The president has suggested that he may use the military to stop the rioting if the mayors and governors are unable to or refuse to. He has also said that he supports the right of the peaceful protests to continue.

The president seems to be within his authority under the law to put an end to the riots, but otherwise, I agree, it cannot go further than that into shutting down peaceful protests. We shall see, I suppose.



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha
Lol
Kapernick lost his starting job and pouted.
Revisionist history is hilarious.
He sat on the bench.
When called on it for pouting and being a poor team mate he made up the protest bs.
He and his followers are fraud.



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 05:31 PM
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So, you don't support Kaepernick's individual right to protest by sitting or kneeling during the National Anthem unless he does it loudly and to incite protests in others.

You're severely confused. Show me where I said I wanted Colin Kaepernick in jail for kneeling during the anthem?

Come on, show me!

You can't; I never said that or even insinuated that. He had every right to do stoopid. I have every right to consider it stoopid. That's how it works. I would actually be up in arms if any legal action had been taken against him. The NFL can drop him, and IMO should have dropped him faster than they did; he hurt every single player in the league by decreasing the fan base. That's different from wanting him arrested.

It is also different from wanting him fired for giving an interview. On his time, he can do whatever he wants (within reason). On NFL time, he is limited to doing things that do not harm nor are prohibited by the NFL, as judged solely by the NFL. If he don't like it, he can start his own league and make his own rules.

The people actually protesting George Floyd's death should be in absolutely no danger whatsoever of any legal action against them. That's their right. How they protest, what they demand, how they go about presenting their demand, all that will determine if anyone else listens. But the second one of them picks up a brick, or tosses a cocktail, or threatens anyone else... that someone is no longer a protestor. They are then a criminal and need to be taken out of the protest and punished appropriately.

A right is a right. A right cannot be dependent on others, and it cannot deny rights to others. My right to ignore Keapernick as a flag-hating fool does not interfere with his right to appear to be a flag-hating fool. Your right to protest cannot interfere with my right to walk the streets in safety.

Of course, it turns out Kaepernick's just an idiot... which brings up my right to be wrong in my opinion.


Kaepernick started a movement of silent, peaceful protest. But, no matter what "he" did it wrong, as is the story with every protest..."they did it wrong".
NEWSFLASH!
Protests are supposed to be wrong.

Yes, it was a peaceful protest... with the wrong message being presented. I am not going to spend my relaxation time trying to read one fool's mind because he doesn't have the mental horsepower to communicate effectively.


You guys are hypocrites. You say you support peaceful protest, but you only really support it when you agree with the cause.



I do believe you have lost it. Keapernick's intended message was anti police brutality... the Floyd protestors' message is anti police brutality. I have supported the arrest of his killer from day 1. I support the other three cops being arrested and charged as accessories. I have said many times that a light sentence is not acceptable; if he winds up facing only 3rd degree murder charges and is convicted, he needs the entire 25 year maximum sentence. I support a system-wide assessment and any reasonable changes to ensure that this atrocity never happens again.

I SUPPORT STOPPING POLICE BRUTALITY! As a result, I support the Floyd protests!

Back in the 1960s, a black minister started a protest that grew to cover the nation and eventually achieved his dream (unfortunately after his early passing). Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. did not throw bricks; he did not start fires; he did not hurt people. He forbad his followers from doing so. Others attacked them, but they started no skirmishes. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke clearly and succinctly, and conveyed his message accurately. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had a specific list of demands centering around equal treatment of the races.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. won.

Colin Kaepernick started a protest, too. He did not break the law; I will give him that. He did not effectively communicate what he was protesting, and those watching him got the wrong idea. His interviews came after he started the kneeling, so the initial impression had already been set (and Kaepernick didn't set up his interviews anyway from my understanding; they occurred because of all the anger he had created). Colin Kaepernick had no clear list of demands, only a vague ideal.

Colin Kaepernick lost.

I will not accept responsibility for someone else's ineptitude. If your guys can't figure out how to get people on their side, it's their own fault, not the fault of the people.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: vor78

The rioters are shutting down the protests, not Trump. It's hard to protest while under curfew and unable to assemble in public. If the riots are shut down, whoever shut them down is supporting the protests.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 2 2020 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck




Show me where I said I wanted Colin Kaepernick in jail for kneeling during the anthem?


Show me where I said you did.

You can't! Because I never said any such thing.

What I said, and I'll say it again, you don't support peaceful protest unless you support the cause. Colin Kaepernick protested police brutality peacefully, but you were right there calling for him to be punished.




Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. won.


Like JFK won? By getting murdered? By exposing systemic racism that your ilk denies exists?



Colin Kaepernick lost.


It doesn't look that way from here. He's looking pretty vindicated and alive, right about now. Too bad people weren't listening/didn't care about the issue then. Things might be different today if they had.


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