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Are we headed for a major internal US conflict?

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posted on Jun, 3 2020 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

They also had enough sympathy from the colonists at large to back their rebellion successfully too.

Do these rioters have enough sympathy from the populace? Enough to successfully and openly rebel?

As time goes on and they destroy more and more without any demands or anything, I don't think so.




posted on Jun, 3 2020 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Someone said, earlier in this thread, that the Founding Fathers would never had destroyed their neighbor's property. They did. The Boston Tea Party is an example. A lot more than tea was spilled as a result of King George's wrath. When the social contract is broken, mayhem is the result.



posted on Jun, 3 2020 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I don't think they have the intelligence, planning, training or preparation to rebel.

True revolutionaries wouldn't need permission from the capitalists (us) to rebel. They wouldn't need to subvert our system and work within its rules to accomplish their goal.

They have no popular support and want to impose a tyranny on the rest of us.

Over my dead body



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


he founding fathers were willing to spill more than tea for their values. Plenty of blood got spilled too.



....Yes, and,

...now.....?
you are promoting more violence?

?
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posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


When the social contract is broken, mayhem is the result.


yes, and......

what now, then?



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: VeeTNA

Without systemic change, there will be more violence.

What with this whole Covid 19 thing, and now this, I think we're going to see some systemic change whether we like it or not, for better or for worse.

I wish I could say that it's up to us, and that we're all in this together, but, I don't really believe that.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha
Your rioters ain't changing squat.
They are ENSURING the status quo stays in place.

They hijacked legitimate protest to steal tvs.

They are no more than illiterate cretins.
When it gets hard they will dissappear.


Lol
Rainstorms kicked their asses in dc
Lololol





edit on 4/6/2020 by shooterbrody because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Your rioters ain't changing squat.
They are ENSURING the status quo stays in place.

They hijacked legitimate protest to steal tvs.

They are no more than illiterate cretins.
When it gets hard they will dissappear.


Lol
Rainstorms kicked their asses in dc
Lololol






LOL...You give me waaaaay too much credit. They're not "my" rioters. They're not even my protestors. I'm just a little old white lady keyboard warrior.

However...Those protestors, (your protestors?), at the capitol building in Michigan carrying long rifles looked like they were ready to employ some violence, if needed to defend their right to be peacefully assemble there.



posted on Jun, 4 2020 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha
No violence or looting or arson there tho was there?
Interesting eh?

No looting in dc tonight either
Rain 1
Rioters 0

Your "systemic change" foiled by water falling out of the sky



posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 09:56 AM
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No violence or looting or arson there tho was there?


They showed that they were ready to engage, but there was no violence perpetrated against them, was there? Nobody ordered them to disperse. You can't say the same about the recent peaceful protests.



Your "systemic change" foiled by water falling out of the sky


Like rain, systemic change needs to trickle down from on high.



posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yes but the target of that violence wouldn't have been indiscriminate burning of cities and small businesses.

Target selection is key to propaganda wins vs losses

Violence to defend the Constitution is not always inexcusable. Just indiscriminate violence seeking to overturn the Constitution by implementing something illegal like socialism or communism...that's the difference
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posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 12:41 PM
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Yes but the target of that violence wouldn't have been indiscriminate burning of cities and small businesses.


Personally, I don't believe much of the property destruction had anything to do with the cause of Black Lives Matter or the general protests against police brutality, except for maybe a few over turned/burned out police cars.

I got sucked into this pragmatic argument over the claim that the Founding Father would never destroy their neighbor's property. Private property most certainly was destroyed before and during the American Revolution, which at the time King George saw as a colonial insurrection. Before, during and after the Civil War, property damage, right or wrong, was key. When the US military goes to war, they bomb strategic buildings.

My point is that when We The People fight for a cause, not only does blood flow, but property is damaged.



posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 04:47 PM
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Personally, I don't believe much of the property destruction had anything to do with the cause of Black Lives Matter or the general protests against police brutality, except for maybe a few over turned/burned out police cars.


I don't either, the lawful protests are fine and legitimate. I agree with protesting the murder of George Floyd. That was horrible. Worst thing I've seen in months.

It was exclusively violent left wing groups (like antifa) causing violence/chaos and seeking to overthrow the Republic and install a marxist dictatorship (their own stated goals) which has nothing at all to do with George Floyd.


I got sucked into this pragmatic argument over the claim that the Founding Father would never destroy their neighbor's property. Private property most certainly was destroyed before and during the American Revolution, which at the time King George saw as a colonial insurrection. Before, during and after the Civil War, property damage, right or wrong, was key. When the US military goes to war, they bomb strategic buildings.


That's true, and it makes sense. I'm sure collaborators weren't treated too kindly either.


My point is that when We The People fight for a cause, not only does blood flow, but property is damaged.


That's true. But you have to expect the other side will come at you full force, and use whatever means at their disposal to crush the rebellion. If the cause is large enough, it won't make any difference. If the cause isn't large enough, it'll fail. Either way, you can't be surprised or dismayed when force (including lethal force) is used to prevent it.

Again, true revolutionaries don't operate within the system nor do they need anyone's permission for full on open warfare. And if you aren't ready to take it there, you're violating the law not overturning any existing power structure. If it is large enough, the law falls silent because the winner (ie: most powerful) will decide what then is illegal vs legal.

The key is that targets must be strategic, otherwise you lose the propaganda war (where hearts and minds are won) regardless of the battle's outcome. The rioter's burning down a black man's business made it impossible to form any sort of narrative other than indiscriminate violence.
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posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 04:49 PM
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It's ironic that the so called patriots who always warned it would go bad for the weak leftists if the chaos started are the ones hiding in their basements as the country burns.



posted on Jun, 5 2020 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
It's ironic that the so called patriots who always warned it would go bad for the weak leftists if the chaos started are the ones hiding in their basements as the country burns.


"The country" isn't burning though, it's blue cities/blue states they're burning down.

Frankly, why should any of us risk our lives going into hostile territory (non-free America) to stop them? Let it continue to expose the weak liberal governments and flawed ideology of liberalism. Let proud democrat voters continue to make a mockery of their entire party by doing this crap.

Theres a reason they do this BS in gun free blue cities. They wouldn't last 10 minutes in a rural red state.

It'd be different if a belleagured patriot group was crying out for assistance. I'd be there in a heartbeat. But its crucial to have these engagements in states with existing laws that don't require retreat, are friendly toward firearms, etc.
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posted on Jun, 6 2020 @ 09:15 PM
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It was exclusively violent left wing groups (like antifa) causing violence/chaos and seeking to overthrow the Republic and install a marxist dictatorship (their own stated goals)


Who is "antifa"?



posted on Jun, 14 2020 @ 09:32 PM
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What with this whole Covid 19 thing, and now this, I think we're going to see some systemic change whether we like it or not, for better or for worse.

I agree. It's underway already.


I wish I could say that it's up to us, and that we're all in this together,


I'll say it for you: We're all in this together.


but, I don't really believe that.


Some things are true whether you believe them or not.
We are not only "all in this", we ARE this.




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posted on Jun, 14 2020 @ 09:53 PM
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If more moms were like this, Major Internal Conflict Averted.

BLM/Antifa kid dragged home by Mama: twitter.com...





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