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EU civil war erupts: States furious as Barnier poised to surrender to UK on Brexit deal

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posted on May, 28 2020 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: Motorhead

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: gortex

I wonder how agriculture will chance when the UK is forced to pay decent pay to UK workers instead of getting that cheap labor from Eastern Europe.


Well, UK agriculture managed perfectly well prior to uncontrolled immigration from the EU. And I'm sure if need be a seasonal work permit system could be implemented for foreign workers.

It's not the doomsday binary scenario some would have us believe...



Ukraine is already demanding a fair pay and other benefits a worker should have from countries they are sending their workers, so most likely there is going to be some pressure like this from other countries too..

There might be a price increase in the near future for farmed goods.. Just my hunch..

And imagine how painful it will be to start paying proper money to workers instead a a few coins.
edit on 28-5-2020 by solve because: (no reason given)




posted on May, 28 2020 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: Snarl

or they will demand freedom of speech.
you go to jail for questioning the 'official' story of historical events in europe.
its crazy.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: gortex

Question. Is this pissing off the French and Germans? If so, good.


Great. All the French and the German people? Wow.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: gortex

Question. Is this pissing off the French and Germans? If so, good.


Great. All the French and the German people? Wow.


French & German Governments have dictated EU Policy for far to long.

If they get pissed of with The UK's stance on future trade relations, then who cares.




posted on May, 28 2020 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: solve
a reply to: gortex

I wonder how agriculture will chance when the UK is forced to pay decent pay to UK workers instead of getting that cheap labor from Eastern Europe.


The EU's common agricultural policy is one of the most disgraceful pieces of legislation ever written. It's panned by both Remainers and Leavers alike., Probably not the best place for you to start with your fear mongering about leaving the sh*tty EU.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: gortex

Question. Is this pissing off the French and Germans? If so, good.


Great. All the French and the German people? Wow.


Yeah - that's correct... at least all the EU drones that live in those countries.
The minority (it seems) that want to break free from fascist Brussels have my sympathies, but also my encouragement to take back their countires from EU rule.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: gortex

I wonder how agriculture will chance when the UK is forced to pay decent pay to UK workers instead of getting that cheap labor from Eastern Europe.


The EU's common agricultural policy is one of the most disgraceful pieces of legislation ever written. It's panned by both Remainers and Leavers alike., Probably not the best place for you to start with your fear mongering about leaving the sh*tty EU.


You brought a smile to my face,, To think i would fear monger.. Just speculating, and giving it a single neuron to work with.. Cause i do not even care..


And to put your mind at ease, i do not like things like the EU, heck, i only have one neighbor and i hate his guts.

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posted on May, 28 2020 @ 05:20 PM
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For those with the interest and time around the Brexit negotiations, the recent Parliamentary Committee on the future relationship is an insightful watch... Look to time stamp 13:28:44; 13:37:57; Fisheries 13:40:16, 14:06:24 and 14:08:00; EU Mandate 13:43:18; EU illogic over level playing field 13:50:32 and 13:54:33; Governance silliness 14:09:28; and so on…

Parliament TV

Basically, the EU needs to re-think its approach, because they will get nowhere unless they treat the UK as a sovereign nation and not some vassal owing fealty to the EU. The EU is rolling themselves into a no-deal situation, and this will harm the citizens of the EU who will suffer because of it. I think the UK will be able to recover quicker from any short-term problems if there is no deal.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: solve
a reply to: gortex

I wonder how agriculture will chance when the UK is forced to pay decent pay to UK workers instead of getting that cheap labor from Eastern Europe.


We'll have even cheaper labour from places like Syria, Afghanistan, West Africa etc. instead.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Great. All the French and the German people? Wow.


Every. Single. One.



posted on May, 28 2020 @ 06:53 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: gortex

Question. Is this pissing off the French and Germans? If so, good.


Similar thought I have. Whatever makes Merkel miserable.


That woman ruined Europe.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 12:55 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: gortex

Question. Is this pissing off the French and Germans? If so, good.


Great. All the French and the German people? Wow.


Yeah - that's correct... at least all the EU drones that live in those countries.
The minority (it seems) that want to break free from fascist Brussels have my sympathies, but also my encouragement to take back their countires from EU rule.


I don't see how Brexiteers can be going around labelling folks as fascists! I find that statement quite bizarre actually. A case of the pot calling the kettle black.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: gortex

Well that's two of us alleged 'leftists' who passionately support Brexit......and oppose the right to bear arms here in the UK.

Guess we just don't do pigeon holing and labelling to the obsessive extent our colonial cousins do.

You guys aren't American, expecting you to have American ideals is as foolish as when the English do it to Americans.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: gortex

I wonder how agriculture will chance when the UK is forced to pay decent pay to UK workers instead of getting that cheap labor from Eastern Europe.


We'll have even cheaper labour from places like Syria, Afghanistan, West Africa etc. instead.

Lots of South Americans looking to change countries.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Ideologies aren't defined by nationality.

Sorry but I'm a bit confused as to which 'American values' you have in mind?

I was merely pointing out that many American's seem obsessed with putting a label on or pigeon holing everything and everyone.
Their political allegiances tend to determine their opinion on any given subject or situation instead of trying to form opinions on individual merits.




posted on May, 29 2020 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: gortex

Question. Is this pissing off the French and Germans? If so, good.


Great. All the French and the German people? Wow.

French yes , Germans no.
We're Anglo Saxons so the clue's in the name , our combined history through the centuries shows we are blood , our disagreement is with the leadership of the EU not the people ...the French on the other hand are the French.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: gortex

Question. Is this pissing off the French and Germans? If so, good.


Great. All the French and the German people? Wow.


Yeah - that's correct... at least all the EU drones that live in those countries.
The minority (it seems) that want to break free from fascist Brussels have my sympathies, but also my encouragement to take back their countires from EU rule.


I don't see how Brexiteers can be going around labelling folks as fascists! I find that statement quite bizarre actually. A case of the pot calling the kettle black.


Brexiteers won an excercise in democracy.
Remoaners tried to subvert democracy.

I think the label of fasict on remoaners is quite apt.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Ideologies aren't defined by nationality.

They arise out of experiences. The American experience and how we became a nation is very different from the English experience.


Sorry but I'm a bit confused as to which 'American values' you have in mind?

The right to bear arms for personal protection and to prevent a tyrannical government.


I was merely pointing out that many American's seem obsessed with putting a label on or pigeon holing everything and everyone.
Their political allegiances tend to determine their opinion on any given subject or situation instead of trying to form opinions on individual merits.


Brits do it too. They simply do it in different ways. The current political toxicity in America fueled by the media to create division probably exacerbates the American response, but it is not a uniquely American thing.



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04


They arise out of experiences. The American experience and how we became a nation is very different from the English experience.


But that has nothing to do with ideology.



The right to bear arms for personal protection and to prevent a tyrannical government.


Keep YOUR Second Amendment Rights, it's entirely up to you. That has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone else.
I may have an opinion on it, or maybe more accurately observations, but that's all they are.

The point we were making is we neither need nor want anything similar here in the UK.

What's right for the USA - obviously that's open to debate - is not necessarily right for the UK or anywhere else.



Brits do it too.


Yes we do, but nowhere near to the extent and extremes that happens in the USA.
But I've noticed it creeping in here mainly in journalism and predictably politics.

It's divisive and restrictive.
As a result the ideology frames the opinion, mindset and response to any given situation.

I try to formulate an opinion or perspective based purely on the events or situation free from any political ideology and/or other belief system.
It results in me having what some would describe as 'leftist' opinions on some things and 'rightist' on others.....and no particular 'ist' at all on others.

It seems to me that once one aligns oneself with one side or the other in the USA that then forms the basis of one's opinions on almost everything.
It's become all encompassing in American politics and incredibly divisive.

To outsiders looking in the USA appears more divided than it has ever been since your Civil War.
Everything is politicised and battle lines are immediately drawn up in any situation or subject in accordance with political allegiance and the predictable fighting ensues.

It seems the two sides are absolutely incapable of compromise or common ground.



The current political toxicity in America fueled by the media to create division probably exacerbates the American response, but it is not a uniquely American thing.


I can't disagree with any of that.

Anything remotely resembling Brexit could never have happened in the USA.
Not only because anything like the UK and its membership of the EU is more or less impossible in the USA. The closest thing that could ever happen - I very much doubt it ever will - would be a North American Union between Canada, the USA and Mexico.
But also such a campaign would immediately develop along party lines in the USA yet here in the UK Brexit supporters came from right across the whole political spectrum as did Remainers.

Brexit was probably carried due to its weight of support in Northern towns and cities and other working class areas where voters were traditionally considered staunch Labour supporters - a different breed from the now dominant London and South East centrist champagne socialist set that controls Labour at present.
The latter were, and still are, passionate Remainers.

The EU is considered a 'leftist' organisation by most observers and commentators yet it was people with traditional socialist values that delivered Brexit.

Those were the points I think both I and the OP were trying to convey in a much shorter and probably more effective way.

This isn't meant to be anti-US, or anti-European for that matter, just pointing out some of our differences and my dislike of the EU.


edit on 29/5/20 by Freeborn because: typo



posted on May, 29 2020 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

They can purchase the fish from the UK fishermen.



Too right.




It seems that the EU is just trying to benefit financially from this Brexit deal.



Nothing changes.





Why would the UK allow them to still fish in their waters and take away the ability of the UK to feed itself.



Why indeed. How stupid do they think we are?




Tell them to kiss your Bass.






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