Vaccine Trials in Danger - No COVID-19

The news from England is grim if you're holding out hope for a vaccine before you will exit your home.

Phase 3 human trials are suffering from a lack of cases. In every instance, the trials are looking for hot spots in order to try to get valid results for their trials, and they just can't find them. This includes the Oxford trial, two in the US, the four in China, and the one in Germany - lack of cases, so they can't be sure they're getting valid results.

Hopes that a vaccine for the coronavirus could be ready by September are hanging in the balance, as the scientists developing it are concerned that a slowdown in the rate of infection in the general population could invalidate the human trials currently taking place.

Prof. Adrian Hill, Director of the Oxford University’s Jenner Institute, has told The Telegraph that there is only a 50-50 chance that the vaccine his team has been developing can be successfully tested.

The team has recruited 10,000 people to test the vaccine, some of whom will be given the vaccine and others a placebo. But as it is unethical to purposely infect people in the trial with COVID-19, participants will be asked to go about their normal routine in the expectation that some will be exposed to it naturally. However, that is unlikely to happen if the virus is not spreading, meaning that no conclusions can be drawn one way or the other about the vaccine’s efficacy.

Hill expects that fewer than 50 people in the test population will catch the virus, but if less than 20 test positive the results may be useless.

In other words, out of the 10,000 people in the trial, both with vaccine and control, they are afraid they won't get enough exposed to the virus to be able to draw any conclusions.

And this is the same problem for all the trials mentioned.

a reply to: ketsuko
Oh. Well then the vaccine is kind of useless or pointless, if not enough COVID, no vaccine necessary.

Shame to those who think this is actually a good sign, like me. Numbers are falling here, in around two month, ICU bed usage for COVID-19 was cut in half.

It is a race, yes. But it’s not a race against the other guys,” he said. “It’s a race against the virus disappearing – and against time. We said earlier in the year that there was an 80% chance of developing an effective vaccine by September. But at the moment, there’s a 50% chance that we get no result at all.

“We’re in the bizarre position of wanting COVID to stay, at least for a little while. But cases are declining.”

a reply to: ketsuko


Well, Trump did say it would disappear. Maybe he was right.

a reply to: ketsuko

Ha, dumb (SNIPERS) could not even get a simple virus test to go as planned, and they tried so hard, sending it all over the place and creating TP panic exposure conditions in stores on an international level.


Win some lose some, at least they got more control even if the virus tests yields bad results.

a reply to: highvein

Ignore the science from now on people. Because most likely
you aren't getting science if you're being lied to or set up to
allow socialists to grab power. I would rather die than allow
even the slightest chance of being made some jackasses fool.

I'm very skeptical about this Covid-19 vaccine.

I read that Moderna didn't even provide any real data in the press release that they released on May 18. They did mention about some test subjects experiencing side effects, though.

Vaccine experts say Moderna didn’t produce data critical to assessing Covid-19 vaccine

We don’t know results from the other 37 trial participants.

Moderna disclosed the findings from eight subjects because that’s all it had at that point.

“I do think it’s a bit of a concern that they haven’t published the results of any of their ongoing trials that they mention in their press release. They have not published any of that,”

www.statnews.com...


Then there's this article that mentions the side effects that were experienced by a few test subjects:

Moderna did not release its clinical trial study or raw data,but its press release,which was freighted with inconsistencies acknowledged that three volunteers developed Grade 3 systemic events defined by the FDA as “Preventing daily activity and requiring medical intervention."

Moderna did not explain why it reported positive antibody tests for only eight participants.These outcomes are particularly disappointing because the most hazardous hurdle for the inoculation is still ahead

www.fort-russ.com...

Click HERE to read MODERNA'S May 18 press release statement.

A former Harvard Medical professor, interviewed by CNBC on May 20, states that Moderna's press release was "premature" and not impressive. He also stated that he's not sure we'll be able to develop a vaccine for Covid-19, because no one has ever successfully developed a vaccine for a coronavirus. He states that HERE.


Dr. William Haseltine, former Harvard Medical School professor, discusses why he says Moderna's vaccine result announcement is akin to a CFO releasing earnings without sustainable data.:

Well, by the time they get this vaccine up and running half the people will have had resistance naturally which will make the vaccine look like it has a fifty percent better success rate. I am sure they do not want people taking the antibody tests for a reason, if they do, then it blows away their good success rate for the vaccine. There is evidence already that if someone has had the common coronavirus cold they have some immunity to SARS-CoV-2. There are lots of people who are already immune, that will make any one of the vaccines appear better than they actually are.

The real danger is releasing these genetically modified subjects to public. They could start spreading something unheard of. Like Covid 20 - a brand new man made RNA exosomes

Dont worry. USA will Make up a Vaccine.
who carers if it works! as long as They make money.

The team has recruited 10,000 people to test the vaccine, some of whom will be given the vaccine and others a placebo.

To these 10,000 People.......Why? How much do they pay?

Jerusalem Post (The Actual Article without the Filter)

The team has recruited 10,000 people to test the vaccine, some of whom will be given the vaccine and others a placebo. But as it is unethical to purposely infect people in the trial with COVID-19, participants will be asked to go about their normal routine in the expectation that some will be exposed to it naturally.

originally posted by: buddha
Dont worry. USA will Make up a Vaccine.
who carers if it works! as long as They make money.

The very definition of a "working" vaccine...
Beeyatch betta have my money!
No, really...

It's not just about money. Seriously, the vaccines resemble rather magic rituals. "Take a rabbit liver, eggs and grow swine cough saliva on it along with 100 year old cancer cells. When the moon is full add fetal tissue and mercury..." The chance that no vaccine actually protects you from disease is high. They set how you test for disease and what is antibody. If your immune system has any reaction they can claim to be effective even though there are all these mutations. All they need is good enough placebo and a new one next year. IMO they wont release it before the possible second wave because everyone would know it's fake.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The news from England is grim if you're holding out hope for a vaccine before you will exit your home.

There will never be a safe/effective vaccine for COVID-19.

Anyone holding out hope for that should just go ahead and end it.

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
its press release,which was freighted with inconsistencies acknowledged that three volunteers developed Grade 3 systemic events defined by the FDA as “Preventing daily activity and requiring medical intervention./quote]
Out of how many? 37? 3 out of 37 had serious side effects?

Sounds like this one is going the way of the earlier one for SARS-Cov that killed some people.

Anyone got a link to those trials that ended in utter failure, complete with dead bodies?

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
All they need is good enough placebo and a new one next year. IMO they wont release it before the possible second wave because everyone would know it's fake.

They don't do placebo controlled vaccine trials. The so-called placebo is the entiure vaccine, minus the supposed 'active ingredient' - but it still has all of the other garbage (adjuvants/toxins/chemicals/poisons)...

originally posted by: shawmanfromny

A former Harvard Medical professor, interviewed by CNBC on May 20, states that Moderna's press release was "premature" and not impressive. He also stated that he's not sure we'll be able to develop a vaccine for Covid-19, because no one has ever successfully developed a vaccine for a coronavirus. He states that HERE.

That is not exactly true. It is possible that no one has ever created a vaccine for the coronavirus that affects humans, but there are coronavirus vaccines in existence already. Cattle farmers have been using it for years (decades actually) to protect their livestock. True they likely wont work on humans, but it is still inaccurate to say there is no vaccine in existence, merely none safe for humans.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Funny, but that part was quoted in the post I used. One of the reasons I used it. It's even in the quote I used.

a reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

There is also a coronavirus vaccine for dogs I believe.

a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

If that were true, then all the diseases like diptheria, polio, small pox, mumps, rubella, etc., would still be running rampant ... far more than they do now. They are only now making a comeback after being virtually unheard of all while I was growing up.

People thinking you do and not getting their shots are one of the reasons why.

We'd also see far more cases of rabies as it runs rampant in wild animals on a rotating basis, and they come into contact with domestic animals more than you'd care to admit. Domestic animals then come into contact with us. Rabies outside its vaccine is untreatable.