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Priest: Mr. President, we don't need to open churches to practice our faith

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posted on May, 23 2020 @ 09:42 AM
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From the mind of Father Edward L. Beck, C.P., a Roman Catholic priest...


President Donald Trump announced on Friday that he considers houses of worship and their religious services essential. I won't argue that point. Although obviously not essential for all, they are deemed so by some. Fair enough.



...who says that religious organizations haven't already been providing "essential" services without this presidential "blessing?" I am a Roman Catholic priest in the Passionist Community serving, at the moment, in New York. During this pandemic I have buried the dead at cemeteries — with limited family members present. I have prayed with people via FaceTime and Zoom. I even heard a confession in a supermarket parking lot.
Priests with whom I live have blessed the sick and dying in hospitals and nursing homes. We have also celebrated virtual Masses and prayer services for countless of the faithful.


Sounds like he is doing the lords work, he continues.....


The churches in my area have been open for individual prayer, Benediction services and Stations of the Cross, and social distancing is strongly encouraged. Priests have even paraded in processions in neighborhoods with the Blessed Sacrament in order to bring elements of the church service out to the faithful. Similarly, rabbis and imams whom I know have been doing the equivalent with their respective religious congregations. That is all "religious service."


So religious freedom of expression has not been suppressed, in his humble opinion. Go on, what else Edward....


What most of us have not done is put ourselves and our parishioners in danger by gathering in large groups for Mass or other religious services "as usual." That would have been — and would continue to be, in this time of contagion — irresponsible and sinful. It would also violate the right to life of many. Yes, responsible action with regard to religious organizations during this pandemic is a right-to-life issue. This is a right that needs to apply to those who live after birth, too.


Imagine that, common sense. What else....


In her press briefing Friday at the White House, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany suggested that telling churches not to reopen is a violation of our First Amendment rights.


I don't see the logic there. No one is prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Though we are in the teeth of a pandemic, in which a very dangerous coronavirus can be transmitted by, among other things, close physical proximity, people can and do continue to worship, albeit in temporarily altered circumstances and in novel ways. To use the "freedom of religion" argument to demand carte blanche the opening of religious venues is to proffer a fallacious argument that can potentially lead to physical harm and, in the worst case, death.
We all want to be able to open churches and places of worship fully so that those who wish to gather in physical communion again can do so. However, this must be done incrementally and with utmost care. Physicians and health experts should be our primary guides here, and religious leaders should follow their guidance with strict and humble adherence.



Eventually we will all be ready.
But let us take the time we need to get it right. When those of us who are Christian put out our hands for communion again, let's be confident that the body of Christ will nourish our bodies and not infect them. Our bodies — and lives — may depend on it.


Sounds like the key to this challenge, indeed most of life's challenges, is MODERATION. Something all should practice, in all aspects of their daily lives.

www.cnn.com...

Yeah I know, CNN = bad, fake news, but Clinton, but Obama, Benghazi, the deep state, democrat pedophiles, pizzagate, lizards, new world order yadda yadda.

No need to post that old tired crap here. Maybe just reflect on the message, not so much on the messenger.



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posted on May, 23 2020 @ 09:50 AM
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lmfao.

look here is how it works.

1. you want to stay home, STAY HOME.
2. you want to live life, LIVE LIFE.

the politicianns, media, internatiionalists, etc do not need to tell us how to live or worse yet, make laws doing so.

i do not need the newz to 'verify' my course of actions.
i do not need a priest to 'verify' my choices either.

it seems you want to stay home, good for you, stay home.

imagine if i had the power of the internationnalist media, and i told you you had to go out everyday, never go home.

as for me, i go out EVERYDAY, and i am healthy. i only wear a mask because the retarded stores in nj are following the phantom menace laws.

my dad got some kind of virus, messed him up. my bro hung out with him in a small 3 bedroom apt in brooklyn for 2 weeks, to make sure he was ok. my brother and my mom never got it, even tho they had to stay in that apartment to look after my dad.

again, stay home if you want to.
me, i want NO media, no newz, no politiciians, and for damn sure, no internnationalists telling me to stay home or go out or do anything. i want to live free.


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posted on May, 23 2020 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: ErEhWoN

Open the churches.
People don't have to go.


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posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: ErEhWoN
Why is this little paragraph so hard for some folks to understand?

The first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


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posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: ErEhWoN

Interesting.... what does this remind me of? Hmmmm.... I'm thinking... thinking... thinking... something something about Catholic Inquisition and Maleus Malificarum... and something something about holy wars and protestant reformation... Puritan migration... religious freedom...

I remember now!!!

Our nation was settled and founded by those NON-Catholic Christians called Protestants -- literally, those protesting the gross abuses of the Catholic church -- who enshrined in law our right to worship as we please, and so on and so forth.

Yeah, um, I don't think a Catholic priest is the ultimate authority on freedom of worship, except to the extent that he and his church embody the very reasons we have the right of freedom of worship.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: ErEhWoN

Interesting.... what does this remind me of? Hmmmm.... I'm thinking... thinking... thinking... something something about Catholic Inquisition and Maleus Malificarum... and something something about holy wars and protestant reformation... Puritan migration... religious freedom...

I remember now!!!

Our nation was settled and founded by those NON-Catholic Christians called Protestants -- literally, those protesting the gross abuses of the Catholic church -- who enshrined in law our right to worship as we please, and so on and so forth.

Yeah, um, I don't think a Catholic priest is the ultimate authority on freedom of worship, except to the extent that he and his church embody the very reasons we have the right of freedom of worship.



There are reasons many of us left the Catholic church. Their leadership is a big one. President Trump is just saying the obvious, people want to get together and now, long after the curve has been flattened (I HATE that phrase!), Democrat governors are keeping places like this closed. I sincerely hope that their actions come back on them a thousand fold in the next elections. Trump is right - humans need human contact, it's in our DNA and our psyche. Exceptions noted.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:21 AM
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You already posted this yesterday. What happened?


I will say what I said then.

If that works for him then great.

Some RC priest doesn’t speak for all Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc.

Nobody is forcing churches to open.

Let people worship when and where they want.

Even those who have been worshiping at the hallowed cash registers of Walmart throughout this whole thing.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: ErEhWoN

Freedom to decide for myself will always Trump opinions of others.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: ErEhWoN

Interesting.... what does this remind me of? Hmmmm.... I'm thinking... thinking... thinking... something something about Catholic Inquisition and Maleus Malificarum... and something something about holy wars and protestant reformation... Puritan migration... religious freedom...

I remember now!!!

Our nation was settled and founded by those NON-Catholic Christians called Protestants -- literally, those protesting the gross abuses of the Catholic church -- who enshrined in law our right to worship as we please, and so on and so forth.

Yeah, um, I don't think a Catholic priest is the ultimate authority on freedom of worship, except to the extent that he and his church embody the very reasons we have the right of freedom of worship.



Well, true tCatholics have a pretty disgraceful past as have many Protestant faiths (check out how many Protestant Christians died at the hands of other Protestants )
www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com...

Long time ago, some popes have repented their sins of the church
It’s now just another voice and opinion, a catholic voice, where was “ ultimate” noted

It’s almost like you want to do to them what they did to others?

I don’t think ultimate voice is fair Bo
Certainly not for me



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: NorthOfStuff




You already posted this yesterday. What happened?


TPTB deemed my post inappropriate for the forum it was posted in.

Therefore, they deleted it.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: dantanna

I wholeheartedly support conservatives group en masse, without those needless masks, to praise their god.

Do it loud and proud, and don't forget to bring the kids. They are immune from the virus, donchaknow?

Sing it loud and proud, and more importantly, as close to one another as possible.

After all....




Trump is right - humans need human contact, it's in our DNA and our psyche.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:46 AM
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I hadn't seen blatant anti-Catholic rhetoric on display in quite some time.

Last time was probably forty years ago. It was on a KKK flyer I think.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: ErEhWoN

All due respect, the virus don't recognize the difference between political or religious factions.

It either has a vector or it doesn't.

People are arguing to give COVID a better vector.

OH, and for Trump to be allowed to act like a dictator.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: dantanna
lmfao.

look here is how it works.

1. you want to stay home, STAY HOME.
2. you want to live life, LIVE LIFE.

the politicianns, media, internatiionalists, etc do not need to tell us how to live or worse yet, make laws doing so.

i do not need the newz to 'verify' my course of actions.
i do not need a priest to 'verify' my choices either.

it seems you want to stay home, good for you, stay home.

imagine if i had the power of the internationnalist media, and i told you you had to go out everyday, never go home.

as for me, i go out EVERYDAY, and i am healthy. i only wear a mask because the retarded stores in nj are following the phantom menace laws.

my dad got some kind of virus, messed him up. my bro hung out with him in a small 3 bedroom apt in brooklyn for 2 weeks, to make sure he was ok. my brother and my mom never got it, even tho they had to stay in that apartment to look after my dad.

again, stay home if you want to.
me, i want NO media, no newz, no politiciians, and for damn sure, no internnationalists telling me to stay home or go out or do anything. i want to live free.


And that's why you are awesome!!



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: ErEhWoN

Open the churches.
People don't have to go.


And the bars, massage parlors, barbershops and casinos.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: dantanna

I don't think its possible to live free in society. Too many restrictions, what-if's, gov control...

Hey...we all got I.d.'s right? In the U.S...S.Security cards? You live where? Shop? Cameras everywhere?

Sneak off to a mountain? Someone, somewhere will have you on camera traveling.
But you want to live "free"? Land records. Tax records..

Nice ideology, but to live free? Just where would that be?

"Freedoms just another word for nothin' left to lose"- Me and Bobby McGee, Kris Kristopherson



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 11:18 AM
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Your individual freedom is limited in direct proportion to the number of people around you.

This has always been true.

We had a system of balance between the needs of the one and the many.

We've allowed that system to be corrupted.

It's really, really, really simple ... As long as you harm no one, do as you will.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman


It’s almost like you want to do to them what they did to others?

I don’t think ultimate voice is fair Bo
Certainly not for me


I'm really not sure what you're saying... or what you think I "want to do to them." I hope you're not saying that the Catholic church (much less this priest) is the ultimate authority on whether or not churches can or should be open. Which is what I said. He/they can conduct their worship as they see fit. They just cannot speak to, or dictate to, anyone else's freedom of worship.

To clarify on my part, the OP presents this priest's statement on behalf of himself and his faith as representative of all churches and all faiths, which the priest seems to do as well. It is not. And it is worth pointing out that this is the very scenario -- the Catholic church presuming to be the ultimate authority for ALL Christians -- that inspired/provoked the settling of the New World, and the staunch declaration of religious freedom, ultimately enshrined in law.



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66



Catholic

I think you spelled "world's largest pedophile ring" wrong...
edit on 23-5-2020 by elDooberino because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 23 2020 @ 11:22 AM
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What's funnier is that Christians need activist priests like, Father Edward L. Beck, even less to practice their religion.


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