6 Apaches over my house but not on the radar

a reply to: E92M3

Because a surprising number of people think FlightRADAR24 means actual radar.

I see Lakotas, and the occasional -60 on ADS-B, but never an Apache over CONUS.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
Military aircraft operating in mission areas, such as MOAs don't have to transmit ADS-B, and I haven't seen a US Apache transmitting.

They do transmit when flying cross-country and in certain classes of airspace.

a reply to: projectvxn

If they meet the requirements under the ADS-B mandate. The Apache doesn't. All military aircraft are exempted while performing national security missions, or are in military controlled airspace.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Observationalist

Would have been Beale. They're only about 50 miles apart by road.

I have seen them do touch and goes before out of Mather.

not my video

The one I saw was fairly low and climbing, heading north.

a reply to: Observationalist

I didn't think Mather was still used by them, since they need the chase cars there.

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Yes they are.

But how do they get flight following services?

This was a regular thing when flying in the training areas near MHK.

I'm certain Apaches made the requests.

Currently military aircraft are exempt from needing to use ADSB transponders unless in certain situations or airspace classes. Helicopters are not cancelled out because of speed or altitude that's completely untrue. Civilian choppers show up all the time, and so for that matter do airport safety cars sitting still, firefighting tenders and aircraft tugs, all of which are these days being fitted with transponders. The only other type of aircraft I have seen that doesn't either ping its details or show up at all is government aircraft used for carrying VIP's or heads of states. I have observed on a number of occasions a BBJ flying around the eastern seaboard of Australia that shows up with most of its details "N/A" meaning its probably carrying the PM or senior cabinet members onboard.

a reply to: thebozeian

We had a P-8 flying from South Aus over to Perth then out at sea (behind Rotto at ~1000ft) last week, it didn't come up on plane.watch nor adsb exhange or flightradar24 although I could see it on flightaware so now that's the first site I check.

a reply to: projectvxn

Because they're using standard transponders, not ADS-B. Tracking sites only use ADS-B related data, not Mode 3 or Mode C, which ATC uses. They're not required to have ADS-B, but ARE required to have a transponder that ATC can read.

a reply to: thebozeian

The Apache is the one of the only helicopters I haven't seen over CONUS.

originally posted by: penroc3
so just now 6 apaches flew over my neighborhood and i looked on flight radar and they are not on there, it looked like they were packing arms as well


why didnt they show up and why are they flying formations of suburbia ?

What did we learn here?

TAKE PICTURES!

a reply to: Zaphod58

I have played a few rounds at Longbow Golf Course. It's cool to see them spin up for the first time and stretch their wings.

a reply to: Zaphod58


Gotcha.

I'm not familiar with ADS-B.

a reply to: projectvxn

It was rather amusing. The FAA gave something like five years notice that they were going to require it on just about all aircraft, with it going into effect Jan 1 of this year. Something like last year, the Pentagon suddenly announced they have an issue with it because of all the information it broadcasts, especially with the F-22 and F-35.

originally posted by: penroc3
so just now 6 apaches flew over my neighborhood and i looked on flight radar and they are not on there, it looked like they were packing arms as well

Raise you to no less than 14 Apaches and 2 Chinooks this week

originally posted by: Zaphod58
The Apache is the one of the only helicopters I haven't seen over CONUS.

We get them around a bit. Sometimes they stage out of Ft. Indiantown Gap. I've fueled them a few times when I used to work at the local airport.

a reply to: JIMC5499

I physically see them out of Mesa. But I've never seen them on a flight tracker.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I've never used a flight tracker.

We've got our local Reserve unit doing flybys on Monday. First time they've done it since they switched from C-130s

a reply to: penroc3

You be seeing some Blackhawks right now and a plane circling in the area.



Blackhawks were in Ohio then PA and in Rochester this moment.