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'The mob will come after you if you leave the left'

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posted on May, 21 2020 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: BoscoMoney
When I went back and visited my Sister and her family and my Brother before things popped off and every freaked out, I was hanging with my B-I-L one day and he asked where I wanted to grab some food...well, being from the middle of nowhere where we have a pizza hut and a subway..I was hankering for a nice Chick Fil A sammich BUT NOOOOOOOOO, OMG chikfila this and chickfila that and omg omg omg WE DONT GIVE CHICKFILA OUR BUSINESS(!!!!). So, I didnt get my chickfila sammich and was deeply disappointed.

Ruined the whole trip really.

Man, all I wanted was a nice, tender, juicy chikfila sammich.

(so what im sayin is, just for one day I'd like to get a damn chicken sammich without dealing with someones friggin politics)


Poor bastard. If I don't get to do what I want, I just don't go. I smoke and drink beer and it's frowned upon. Mom and dad can keep their money. Accept me for who I am.




posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari
This! Absofreakinlutley! My partner and I experienced the same. I was a registered Democrat and she was Independent. We got the absolute beat down on a lesbian website when we did not support Obama in 08. We actually didn't support McCain in '08 or Romney in '12. We just said we didn't support Obama. We were called every name in the book and eventually left the site.

I have since become an Independent and my partner actually registered as Republican. I was on my way to waking up to what was happening politically at the time. Boy oh boy were my eyes opened by force during the '08 election cycle.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:02 PM
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counterpoint: when i was in my teens and living in a small country town and beginning to come to grips with my sexuality, i was beaten, fiercely and often, for several years until i managed to save enough money to get out of there. Twenty years later and i still have the scars.

Which is not to say that being honest about your political views is easy - both sides of the modern politic are so intensely polarised that going against expectations in any group can be a harrowing experience i'm sure.

Haven't heard of anyone getting their ribs kicked in for coming out as conservative though.

Honestly, i think it's a factor of what i may as well call privelege. The dude in the OP had a relatively easy time coming out as gay (compared to a wretch like me) and so any form of castigation for something else feels worse. of course it does. That's because we've made such strides that being beaten like i was is no longer the norm like it used to be.
That's what leftist politic is for, and, i assume, why people get so agitated about the perception of being abandoned by those who "should" be on their side.

And yeah i'm not gonna pretend that there aren't people getting overheated and wild about all sorts of unnecessary stuff and causing all sorts of problems for each other but come on guys, let's look at this with a little nuance.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Exactly.

Either you voted because your vagina matched hers or you were penis whipped. The idea that women have brains and think with them never entered that equation at all.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Look what happens if a Democrat thanks President Trump for saving his/her life!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

More intuitive Democrats have figured out that they mean nothing more than "a vote" and "a $$ donor" to the party.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Well I talk about something similar with good characters in fiction.

It used to be that when we were constructing interesting characters you did something like making Sarah a bright, outgoing girl who likes gymnastics but secretly wants to excel at math.

These days, they think an interesting character is simply an Asian Muslim who struggles with issues of gender identity.

Now the kicker here is that both characters could actually be the same person.
edit on 21-5-2020 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
The problem is not political beliefs but political identity.

When your politics become an integral part of your sense of who you are, then you will fight all comers to defend those beliefs.

When I was a kid forty years ago ... for the most part you really didn't discuss three subjects in polite society: politics, religion and sex.

There was a reason for all three I think.

I didn't see this until the last few years, but identity politics really is the greatest challenge we face in the US. IMO


Man, I guess the SHTF. I actually agree with you.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: Khaleesi
a reply to: Lumenari
This! Absofreakinlutley! My partner and I experienced the same. I was a registered Democrat and she was Independent. We got the absolute beat down on a lesbian website when we did not support Obama in 08. We actually didn't support McCain in '08 or Romney in '12. We just said we didn't support Obama. We were called every name in the book and eventually left the site.

I have since become an Independent and my partner actually registered as Republican. I was on my way to waking up to what was happening politically at the time. Boy oh boy were my eyes opened by force during the '08 election cycle.


The other funny part about the times changing...

I'm bi.

As is my wife.

So my wife and I are no longer accepted on lesbian web forums because I'm...

Wait for it...

Not technically a lesbian.

I'm also, it turns out, no longer gay according to the new standard.



This whole "putting everyone in a single well-defined box" is going to backfire on the Democratic party.

Because at the logical end of putting everyone into a well-defined box...

We are all going to end up being individual again.

In our own box, as it were.




posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Let's end all identity politics.

Let's be ourselves, mind our own business, and stop trying to control everyone else.



In order to do that, you'd have to shutdown and restructure every University, College and High School in the nation.

That's where the infection begins and festers.

Those old communist/socialists hippies from the 60's realized that in order to push their agenda, they had to start with the education system.

When your K-3 kid comes home talking snip about our current president, you begin to realize that ABC's and sandbox aren't the only lesson plan.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Oh it'll certainly backfire.

The rules of intersectionalism as I understand them are that for every little identity box you check, your personal victim/grievance group gets smaller and more exclusive with less people in it.

Eventually, if you try hard enough, you'll pair yourself down one b1tchy individual that no one likes at all because you're impossible to please and obnoxious as all hell.

The other thing I don't get about it all is that supposedly, as your intersection gets smaller, it means less and less people truly can understand your personal struggle in life, so they cannot presume to speak up for you. So if a group gets together to powwow over something important and they leave out your intersectional group, they aren't inclusive enough to be truly representative of all voice. However, if someone comes to you and asks you speak up as a representative of your group experience, it is called racist and a horrible thing to do to single you out.

So it all gets wildly contradictory and full of mixed messaging.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Yep. He sure did.

It's unfortunate that what he and the others set out to create didn't last long (in my opinion.)

They set about establishing that we have natural rights, and that no one can take those away from us.

Now, those natural rights are a burden to those who have buried the original system under a mire of bureaucracy, and they have successfully convinced a great many people that our natural rights aren't necessary and are actually a bad thing.

Heavens forbid that a person seeks "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

No, according to those who sit on high, we don't deserve it. We have been relegated to roles of servitude, subjugation, and discouragement.

But, that is an individual's choice. You can accept it, or you can live life according to your own rules.

I know you, Lumenari, have managed to live life as you see fit. I know some others here who have as well.

That gives me hope that as long as there are people willing to buck the system to whatever degree they feel comfortable with that the human spirit is still alive.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Lumenari

Oh it'll certainly backfire.

The rules of intersectionalism as I understand them are that for every little identity box you check, your personal victim/grievance group gets smaller and more exclusive with less people in it.

Eventually, if you try hard enough, you'll pair yourself down one b1tchy individual that no one likes at all because you're impossible to please and obnoxious as all hell.

The other thing I don't get about it all is that supposedly, as your intersection gets smaller, it means less and less people truly can understand your personal struggle in life, so they cannot presume to speak up for you. So if a group gets together to powwow over something important and they leave out your intersectional group, they aren't inclusive enough to be truly representative of all voice. However, if someone comes to you and asks you speak up as a representative of your group experience, it is called racist and a horrible thing to do to single you out.

So it all gets wildly contradictory and full of mixed messaging.


^^^ THIS exactly.

I've decided to leave that all behind and I currently identify as a Princess Golden Dragon.

Which I guess means that the next time I travel, I can pee wherever I damn well want to.




posted on May, 21 2020 @ 10:18 PM
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Yeah, I wish we could all get back to the time when everyone kept their religion, politics, and sexual preferences behind doors, but that will probably cause people to think that I'm a sexist, bigoted, homophobe.

I mean honestly I don't think it's really anyone's business what I believe in or what I like to do with other consenting adults.

There are a lot of things I do feel comfortable talking about here, but in my actual day to day life offline.. I just want to be able to get along with everyone and not have everything blow up into virtue signaling and bs like that.

Why is it that people can be friendly towards one another, but once religion or politics gets brought up shtf? Like geez. Just chill out and let people believe in what they want.

My dad for instance is a total homophobe. He can't even stand being on the same block as someone flamboyant or lispy. He just has to make a comment.

I always have to get on to him. Like what does it matter? How can you let that affect you?

My mother is a straight up conservative. Listens to nothing, but SuperTalk and all that ALLLL DAY. It gets to the point my dad tells her to turn the crap off. Anything she hears or sees from what she hears on the radio or TV is truth to her.

I'll hear something on the radio, and I'll have to tell her that it's sensationalized or it's a half truth to stimulate biases.

I'll give her details that the talk show hosts leave out and she'll tell me that I'm wrong or that it's not true.

It's got to the point where a while back I told her that family is more important than having propaganda blasting through the house, and that if she doesn't start turning it off when I visit that I won't be coming around the house anymore. I will go straight back to the garage to hang out with dad. Now she only listens to it when no one else is around.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 10:23 PM
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I was just always treated as an oddity when I was younger.. which was nothing to me. I mean we only went back to visit family once in a while. My mom moved back to the rez after my dad died.. and I was well into my adult years. She got a LOT of flak for my political leanings and her religion. It was all blamed on not living on the rez for decades for her.. and her making sure I wasnt born there "ruined" me.

Well these days there are a lot less Dems there, but its still like people are brainwashed into believing that if you are a minority, then the Dems love you and arent racist. The truth is exactly the opposite.. and no matter what you show them to the contrary, they dont believe it. They either treat you like youre some brainwashed operative come to infiltrate them or they are just plain MAD at you. Mad cause I think or feel differently?? Weird...

I have a CDIB card.. Im enrolled... I can participate in scholarships and tribal votes and all that crap.. but I dont. I dont live there, so I never took scholarships ( my dad actually banned me from it) and I am well aware of whats going on because I care to know, but I never exercise my member vote. SO its not like they are afraid Ill somehow skew votes or take money from their kids and grandkids. They just plainly are brainwashed that anyone but a DEM is dangerous somehow.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: Advantage

A buddy of mine was born and grew up on a Navajo rez. When I asked him why he joined the Navy, he said he couldn't stand being on the rez and had to get away.

The stories he, and many others have told me, don't paint a pretty picture of rez life.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: AutomateThis1

The only reason I discuss most of the things I do here is because this is a place people come to discuss it. I only ever otherwise discuss it with my husband and occasionally family.

They aren't casual topics for general discussion, nor do they really need to be. There's a reason for discussion forums in the public sphere and anonymous voting. We need to have access to all manner of information and opinions and the personal space to make up our own minds, but we also need to be trained in what independent thought and decision making actually is too.

Independent thought, btw, is not when someone thinks like you do or holds an opinion matching mine. It means they can articulate coherent reasoning to demonstrate why they hold the opinions they do.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 10:36 PM
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Your post deserves a reply that is a thread all of its own.

In my opinion, the Republic died a little in the civil war when we lost state's rights.

It died a little again in 1913.

And has been going downhill ever since.

The founders had the best of intentions and wrestled with the amount of control our government should have.

They decided on the least amount possible.

It still wasn't little enough, unfortunately.

A Lumenari applause to you on your knowledge of where we are.

It's all I have to give on ATS.



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posted on May, 21 2020 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I'm not sure if what I said led you to believe contrary, but I agree with you.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 10:38 PM
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a reply to: AutomateThis1

Nothing. It was a long winded agreement.



posted on May, 21 2020 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: AutomateThis1
a reply to: Advantage

A buddy of mine was born and grew up on a Navajo rez. When I asked him why he joined the Navy, he said he couldn't stand being on the rez and had to get away.

The stories he, and many others have told me, don't paint a pretty picture of rez life.


Its just fine if you like being a hamster in a cage. I never lived on one, but it certainly doesnt look like my kinda thing. Teh way my brain is wired, Id have left even if I was born there. No one who has the kind of brain that real freedom and persoal accountability and etc could deal with it. Particularly the group think and victim mindset of so many. Now the Blackfeet reservation is not super poor and its VERY large and very beautiful ... but its still a cage... of the mind. Give them a chance and the progressives will treat every minority like us.. and anyone who disagrees with them. Theyll "care" for you.

Right now the Progs/dems are all about gay rights and the lgbtq movement. Theyve also ruined it. Ive had to clarify in the past.. its not that Im all rabid about the lgbtq movement.. its that Im so against exploitation of vulnerable groups and coopting them.



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