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New Zealand Gun-Crime Rates Soar Following Gun-Bans

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posted on May, 24 2020 @ 06:40 AM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Removing firearms from the public does not reduce violent crime. After London banned firearms they passed New York city in per capita murder - and it was done with knives.


Just a few things

1.) In 1997, the UK did not ban all firearms. They banned all hanguns over .22 calibre. There are around 2 million legally owned firearms in the UK. Britain never had a gun culture, it was moslty the aristocracy that hunted animals on their privately owned land, and they still do. Again, and like New Zealand. Brits never carried firearms for the purpose of defence.

Ruger 10/20, Remington 700 Bolt Action Rifle, .22 calibre Uzi, Baretta ARX 160, Heckler Koch MP5, Heckler & Koch HK416, Steyr HS Cal 50 Cal are legal to buy in the UK with a Firearms licence that costs around §107.

And there are ways around the "handgun ban", for example the barrel length has to be 30cm and over and the minimum Gun length has to be 60cm. So getting a GSG 1911 Semi automatic with a faux-suppressor or real suppressor attached with a Counter weight fitted on the end of the rod to balance the weight of the extended barrel is perfectly legal to own.

If you ever go the north of England around Cumbria, and all around Scotland. Grouse Shooting, and Wild Deer shooting is very popular.

2.) London surpassed New York in murder rate for about 2 months in early 2018. This was reported all over American news outlets, but taking the year as a whole, in 2018, the murder rate in New York was over twice as many as London. 295 (3.48 per 100,000 people) versus 128 (1.52 per 100,000).

This also coincided with the dramatic fall in crime in New York and a blip in London. The Consevative government in the UK cutting 24,000 police officers and cutting police funding in Labour areas (mostly in London), contributed to the rise in crime in London. NOT gun legislation that was past 20 years ago.




posted on May, 24 2020 @ 07:23 AM
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www.theblaze.com...
New Zealand gun crimes rise to highest in a decade despite strict gun bans
May 18, 2020

Gun crime rates and killings involving guns in New Zealand reached their highest level in a decade this year despite the country's strict gun control measures lauded by left-wing politicians in the United States.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act by news outlet RNZ, show that gun crime has increased in the country in 2018 and 2019:


N.Z. is an island and if the PTB want to get rid of all the guns they really can do it just like Hawaii or any other isolated land mass that has a desire to disarm a limited population. Not just isolated landmasses if history is any indicator.

Rates of gun crimes and killings using guns at highest levels in a decade Mon, May 18 • Source: 1 NEWS


New figures obtained by RNZ show last year had the highest rates of gun crime and deaths involving firearms for nearly 10 years.



But despite that rise, there has not been a corresponding increase in officers taking out or using their guns.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act, show the rates of gun crime went up in both 2018 and 2019.

Last year, there were 3540 occasions where an offender was found with a gun.

And in both of the last two years, the rate of deadly incidents involving a firearm was the highest it had been since 2009.

www.tvnz.co.nz...

People can argue for something because that is the way they think it should be...however, wants and wishes will not make it so.

Myself and many of our members have legally carried a concealed weapon for years either through their job or because they took responsibility for their own safety.

There used to be some interesting statistics who does what to whom but it is a waste of time for the haters are gonna hate no matter what the subject or the numbers indicate..



posted on May, 24 2020 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: 727Sky
New Zealand gun crimes rise to highest in a decade.


New Zealand gun ownership is also the highest in a decade

From 2005-2017 Gun Ownership in New Zealand increased by 62% according to gunpolicy.org

According to NZ Police, the vast majority of gangmembers in possession of illegal guns, comes through licenced gun owners being burgled.

One could put the argument that more guns equals more gun crime. There is stastitics, and there is damned statistics hey.


edit on 24 5 2020 by Debunkology because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 24 2020 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: chr0naut


It will take time, and every semi-automatic weapon taken out is one less semi-automatic weapon in criminal hands. It is happening.



Wait, what? You know how many unregistered firearms there are? It is simply not possible. They will find a way to get a gun. You truly are living in fantasy world.


Nowhere there did I say I knew how many illegal firearms there are. But, if criminals can't get new ones, and the police confiscate the ones they have, then the total number of illegal firearms must reduce.

... and everyone who imports or manufactures a semi-automatic firearm in-country becomes a criminal. As they are found, they will be prosecuted and imprisoned for their crime.



posted on May, 24 2020 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

And as the number of illegal firearms decrease, so too the potential for damage form those left increases dramatically. It is difficult to stop an armed shooter when one is unarmed.

That's the reason our major shootings occur in areas which have the highest restrictions on firearms. Sure, they're rare, but when they do happen there is nothing to stop them.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 24 2020 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: 727Sky
www.theblaze.com...
New Zealand gun crimes rise to highest in a decade despite strict gun bans
May 18, 2020

Gun crime rates and killings involving guns in New Zealand reached their highest level in a decade this year despite the country's strict gun control measures lauded by left-wing politicians in the United States.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act by news outlet RNZ, show that gun crime has increased in the country in 2018 and 2019:


N.Z. is an island and if the PTB want to get rid of all the guns they really can do it just like Hawaii or any other isolated land mass that has a desire to disarm a limited population. Not just isolated landmasses if history is any indicator.

Rates of gun crimes and killings using guns at highest levels in a decade Mon, May 18 • Source: 1 NEWS


New figures obtained by RNZ show last year had the highest rates of gun crime and deaths involving firearms for nearly 10 years.



But despite that rise, there has not been a corresponding increase in officers taking out or using their guns.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act, show the rates of gun crime went up in both 2018 and 2019.

Last year, there were 3540 occasions where an offender was found with a gun.

And in both of the last two years, the rate of deadly incidents involving a firearm was the highest it had been since 2009.

www.tvnz.co.nz...

People can argue for something because that is the way they think it should be...however, wants and wishes will not make it so.

Myself and many of our members have legally carried a concealed weapon for years either through their job or because they took responsibility for their own safety.

There used to be some interesting statistics who does what to whom but it is a waste of time for the haters are gonna hate no matter what the subject or the numbers indicate..


Did you notice that the TVNZ report, the 1 News report, and the NZ Police report referred to by RNZ, all related to statistical totals beginning in 2018?

The Christchurch Massacre which preceded the law change was on 15 March 2019. That is more than a year later.

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posted on May, 24 2020 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut

And as the number of illegal firearms decrease, so too the potential for damage form those left increases dramatically. It is difficult to stop an armed shooter when one is unarmed.

That's the reason our major shootings occur in areas which have the highest restrictions on firearms. Sure, they're rare, but when they do happen there is nothing to stop them.

TheRedneck


The NZ Police are still armed. In fact, we have "Armed Offenders" squads (just like US SWAT teams) specifically to deal with them. The 'less and less armed' criminals are enormously outgunned by law enforcement.

The reason mass shootings occur is that members of the general public, who have access to powerful firearms nearly without limit, start shooting at large groups. With career criminals, shootings are more specifically directed and, therefore limited than, mass shootings.

None the less, reductions in the availability of firearms must have an effect upon shootings that can occur, in frequency, in incidence, and in victim counts.

edit on 24/5/2020 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 24 2020 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Well, bottom line is, it's your country... not mine. You go do what you do.

All I can do is tell you what is happening in the US, and hope it doesn't happen there. Whether you choose to accept it or not is all up to you. Just don't come crying when things don't work the way you think they should.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 24 2020 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: chr0naut

Well, bottom line is, it's your country... not mine. You go do what you do.

All I can do is tell you what is happening in the US, and hope it doesn't happen there. Whether you choose to accept it or not is all up to you. Just don't come crying when things don't work the way you think they should.

TheRedneck


Australia and NZ have had fairly restrictive gun laws for years. I believe it reflects in the figures.



posted on May, 24 2020 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

New Zealand is a raw land, run by bandits that look like Mel Gibson and Hobbits.

Of course it's a land filled with monsters and murderers.

Who in their right mind would ever want to actually live in that nightmare place?



posted on May, 25 2020 @ 12:14 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 727Sky

New Zealand is a raw land, run by bandits that look like Mel Gibson and Hobbits.

Of course it's a land filled with monsters and murderers.

Who in their right mind would ever want to actually live in that nightmare place?


Please not Americans, Please not Amer...

Damn.



posted on May, 25 2020 @ 01:09 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

You know your banging your head against a brick wall right .



posted on May, 25 2020 @ 04:12 AM
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originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: chr0naut

You know your banging your head against a brick wall right .


I think the wall is getting softer. It doesn't seem to hurt so much now and reality is sort of swimming around now. I'm sure I'll probably float right through at some stage.




posted on May, 25 2020 @ 04:21 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 727Sky

New Zealand is a raw land, run by bandits that look like Mel Gibson and Hobbits.

Of course it's a land filled with monsters and murderers.

Who in their right mind would ever want to actually live in that nightmare place?


Oh, and Mel is an Yank.

I think you are mixing him up with Russell Crowe who is from NZ.

But the "Once Were Warriors" image isn't really the truth.



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