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New Zealand Gun-Crime Rates Soar Following Gun-Bans

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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: paraphi


Very few people are ever shot by the police, who are themselves un-armed

What worries me are those very few who were shot by someone who didn't have a gun.

Not real sure how that is possible...

TheRedneck




posted on May, 20 2020 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

when a spelling mistake = your sole rebbutal - its time to give up .

and yes - i do understand it - hence my post

now do you ? - you can spell it - but can you asctually give a reason how / why civilian firearms ownership in new zealand suppressed criminal activity - prior to 2018 ??



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

you missed the point as well. This isn't about a comparison to the US, a dick measuring contest, or anything other than the facts. NZ gun crime rose. And last year they outlawed scary rifles and other frightening weapons of death. So it just seems odd that rather than seeing a sharp decrease in fire arm crime, we notice the opposite.

And I think your perception of the US is skewed a bit. We have lots of guns here, but most of us have never had problems with them. Mine behave splendidly and have no desire to kill anyone. And in 50 years, they never have.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: paraphi

you missed the point as well. This isn't about a comparison to the US, a dick measuring contest, or anything other than the facts. NZ gun crime rose. And last year they outlawed scary rifles and other frightening weapons of death. So it just seems odd that rather than seeing a sharp decrease in fire arm crime, we notice the opposite.

And I think your perception of the US is skewed a bit. We have lots of guns here, but most of us have never had problems with them. Mine behave splendidly and have no desire to kill anyone. And in 50 years, they never have.


The legislation wasn't passed until end of April with an amnesty that ran through until December.

Unless someone can provide a link showing gun crime increasing over year we don't know what impact it's had.

Also as Paraphi pointed out if gun crime includes possession of a now illegal firearm, as opposed to crimes involving a gun then we would expect them to go up.


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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: network dude

I had to have a long talk with my gun the other day. It started talking about joining a gang, but I put my foot down and told it to stop thinking crazy stuff.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

tough love. I had to talk hard to mine once. They grow up so fast.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

I guess I would need some more information. Is the NZ government going door to door and writing tickets on the illegal guns they find? If not, how are they finding these illegal weapons? I'm not being mean here, I'm asking, and you seemed to have answers.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Now, now... you know that asking reasoned questions with potentially uncomfortable answers is considered mean.

My gun told me about that some time back. I think it heard it in gun school.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

What's a "gun nut"??

Very curious to hear/read your definition of it.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut


The US totals are a clear indictment of American gun culture, showing that many are failing to use guns responsibly and identifies that many Americans place a low value on human lives.


One of the reasons it is so hard to have even a simple conversation with you is that you constantly spin everything you say to come up with false conclusions that meets some narrative you have.

Out of your 35,000 gun deaths about 21,000 are suicides. You might say hey that is a high number too, but the US averages around 3.5 per 100,000, and New Zealand last year averaged 3.9 per 100,000, so pick your poison here, pardon the pun, as we are very close in that category, or maybe New Zealanders just has a lower value on life....see how that works?

So that leaves 14,000 other deaths and about 9000+ are directly related to gang activities, with like 600 of that number from just one city, so yes I will agree that the US has a gang problem that New Zealand doesn't, and I do agree that they most likely have little value on life, but you know the other 330 million people I would not put in the same bucket as them, should we?

That leaves about 5,000 left of other deaths that is a mix of accidental, in defense and other murders spread across 330 million people and we most likely have about 500 million guns in America....lol

The bottomline here is that if you do not want to kill yourself and you are not a gang member it is a pretty freakin low number per 100,000.





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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

I guess I would need some more information. Is the NZ government going door to door and writing tickets on the illegal guns they find? If not, how are they finding these illegal weapons? I'm not being mean here, I'm asking, and you seemed to have answers.


The article in the OP is a pro gun opinion piece using misleading stats to try and present the legislation as a failure and contains no links to the actual data.

That isn't to say anti gun opinion pieces don't do the exact same but let's not accept the claims in this article at face value.




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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

I had to have a long talk with my gun the other day. It started talking about joining a gang, but I put my foot down and told it to stop thinking crazy stuff.

TheRedneck


I had a gun like that once, but the other 14 guns got it back on the straight and narrow.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

My gun told me about that some time back. I think it heard it in gun school.

TheRedneck


Remember when many high schools had gun clubs....lol how times have changed.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
How many guns do you own Chr0n?


I don't own any. But my son left his airsoft pistol at home when he moved to Australia.




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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I drool'ed. What a beautiful room.
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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: IrateCanadian
a reply to: neo96

I drool'ed. What a beautiful room.


There's like a 100 rooms.

Gun porn!



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: chr0naut

What's a "gun nut"??

Very curious to hear/read your definition of it.


A gun nut is someone who feels that the ownership of a gun gives them personal power and validity, and feels the need to justify their preference.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:44 PM
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My preferred weapon of choice for the zombie apocalypse.

This would be back up
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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: chr0naut


The US totals are a clear indictment of American gun culture, showing that many are failing to use guns responsibly and identifies that many Americans place a low value on human lives.


One of the reasons it is so hard to have even a simple conversation with you is that you constantly spin everything you say to come up with false conclusions that meets some narrative you have.

Out of your 35,000 gun deaths about 21,000 are suicides. You might say hey that is a high number too, but the US averages around 3.5 per 100,000, and New Zealand last year averaged 3.9 per 100,000, so pick your poison here, pardon the pun, as we are very close in that category, or maybe New Zealanders just has a lower value on life....see how that works?

So that leaves 14,000 other deaths and about 9000+ are directly related to gang activities, with like 600 of that number from just one city, so yes I will agree that the US has a gang problem that New Zealand doesn't, and I do agree that they most likely have little value on life, but you know the other 330 million people I would not put in the same bucket as them, should we?

That leaves about 5,000 left of other deaths that is a mix of accidental, in defense and other murders spread across 330 million people and we most likely have about 500 million guns in America....lol

The bottomline here is that if you do not want to kill yourself and you are not a gang member it is a pretty freakin low number per 100,000.


Yes but without guns, they wouldn't be gun deaths.



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