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New Zealand Gun-Crime Rates Soar Following Gun-Bans

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posted on May, 19 2020 @ 11:42 PM
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I hate to say this but I am not surprised by these latest crime stats. Several years ago there were many articles about states who had passed concealed carry for their residents and guess what, crime went down. Yes there are people who should never own or carry a gun because they are stupid however there are people who are responsible owners who walk among you and you would never know they are armed until or if they come to your rescue or stop a robbery. A disarmed population will always be at the mercy of those who are armed.




New figures obtained by RNZ show last year had the highest rates of gun crime and deaths involving firearms for nearly 10 years.

But despite that rise, there has not been a corresponding increase in officers taking out or using their guns.

The figures, obtained from police under the Official Information Act, show the rates of gun crime went up in both 2018 and 2019.

Last year, there were 3540 occasions where an offender was found with a gun.

And in both of the last two years, the rate of deadly incidents involving a firearm was the highest it had been since 2009.

The number of guns seized by police is also on the rise, up almost 50 percent on five years earlier at 1263 last year.

You mean banning guns doesn’t actually reduce gun crime?

www.zerohedge.com...



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posted on May, 19 2020 @ 11:58 PM
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Just goes to prove that where there are no guns, the ones shooting the place up will not be afraid of being shot.

Gun free zone = targets that don't shoot back.

It is sad but true, some need to fear being shot in order not to shoot.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Let's wait and see what Chronaut has to say about this.


(post by IrateCanadian removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:24 AM
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bigleaguepolitics.com...

Different country but imagine what was could have happened if the Doctor was not armed ? The gun grabbers will probably not scream as loudly as the weapon used was not black !!
Arizona Doctor Shoots Naked, Aggressive Home Invader Who Broke Into Daughter’s Bedroom

On Wednesday night, Aaron LaTowsky was alerted to the presence of an intruder at his North Scottsdale home. When noticing that a side door was open, LaTowsky retrieved a shotgun, entering his daughter’s room when the family dog barked in its direction.

He describes being attacked in chilling fashion by a naked man clad in no more than a face mask. The home invader, who was bearing a wooden stick, lunged at him from cover when entering the room. LaTowsky describes firing immediately, putting the burglar down with two blasts from the shotgun.


Well at least the intruder was wearing a face mask..... although it did not provide protection from a couple of shot gun blast ?
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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:26 AM
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Article references increased gun from in last two years (2018 & 2019).

Gun buy back scheme didn't start until July 2019.

Am I missing the connection?



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 01:43 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

So is there a break down on the gun crime?

Or is it just people getting caught with now illegal guns not actually using them to facilitate a crime since the buy back started last July?
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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 03:45 AM
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originally posted by: AutomateThis1
a reply to: 727Sky

Let's wait and see what Chronaut has to say about this.


Sure.

Firstly, the way it is being painted there in the US is that it was a total firearms ban here in New Zealand. It wasn't. It was just a ban on semi-automatic weapons and their accessories:

Firearm law changes & prohibited firearms - New Zealand Police

Secondly, here is the actual article, not the third hand commentary by someone from "bearingarms.com":

Rates of gun crimes and killings using guns at highest levels in a decade - RNZ

Please note that for each year, 2018 and 2019, New Zealand had recorded 2.4 gun related deaths per million people. That means that each of those years, New Zealand averaged 11.74 gun related deaths per year.

In the US the rate was 106 gun related deaths per million people. That means that for each of those years, the US averaged 34,980 gun related deaths per year.

When the NZ totals are so small, just a few gun incidents can skew the numbers.

The US totals are a clear indictment of American gun culture, showing that many are failing to use guns responsibly and identifies that many Americans place a low value on human lives.

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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 03:48 AM
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originally posted by: AutomateThis1
a reply to: 727Sky

Let's wait and see what Chronaut has to say about this.


He’ll turn it into an attack on Americans?

Oops, too late.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 03:50 AM
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originally posted by: beyondknowledge
Just goes to prove that where there are no guns, the ones shooting the place up will not be afraid of being shot.

Gun free zone = targets that don't shoot back.

It is sad but true, some need to fear being shot in order not to shoot.


There are guns in New Zealand. The police are all armed and the ban was only on semi-automatic firearms and their accessories.

Also, the figures cover times prior to the ban on semi-automatic weapons.

If you had read the original article rather than the commentary, then those things would have been clear.

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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 03:52 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: AutomateThis1
a reply to: 727Sky

Let's wait and see what Chronaut has to say about this.


He’ll turn it into an attack on Americans?

Oops, too late.


Not Americans, just the gun nuts.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 03:55 AM
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In New Zealand it is still perfectly legal to own semi automatic large caliber handguns with large capacity magazines

Even a standard glock 9mm comes with an 18 round magazine, minimum

It’s called a B Endorsement on your firearms license

The media didn’t tell the cucks that some handguns are much larger and much more powerful than a toy gun like an AR15 is.

some handguns are black too, scary!



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 03:56 AM
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these threads are commedy gold

the clear insinuation attempted is simple , a specious claim that :

" because law abiding patriotic new zealanders can no longer have firearms - firearm crime has rissen "

this is utter bollox - pulled out of the arses of people that do not understand corrolation - and have no clue how new zealands laws and society operated before the " ban "

a simple challenge - sow the incidents from pre ban years - where new zealand citizents used privately owned firearms to prevent crime

hint - firearms in private hands do not prevent crimes happening - texas - still has home invasions , rapes , murders etc etc etc



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 04:02 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: 727Sky

So is there a break down on the gun crime?

Or is it just people getting caught with now illegal guns not actually using them to facilitate a crime since the buy back started last July?


That pretty well wraps it up. Happened in Australia after Arthur. Couple of prosecutions then everyone hands in their firearms and ammo.

It's kinda like this. It's late, dark. You have a legitimate reason to have a target pistol. Perhaps for legal sporting purposes only. You place it in your authorized and inspected safe and the ammunition in a separate locked safe or container according to the regulations.

Some (usually druggies) maniac starts breaking down your door with an axe. You notify 'emergency', retrieve perhaps your .22 caliber target pistol from safe 1 that you have legitimately used on the range in competitions. Then luckily in time you retrieve .22 ammo from your ammunition safe 2. Because you are trained, you manage to load and as 'stupid the druggy' comes at you with the axe you only manage to yell the word, "don't" and "TIC TAC" place one through the bridge of the nose of 'stupid the druggy'.

The small caliber doesn't stop 'stupid's' advance and before he collapses the axe comes down, smashes the pistol from your hands breaking them.

Regardless of your pain and inability to move your hands after this you manage to retreat. You hear 'stupid the druggy' snorting air through his new nasal cavity.. Your hand are so damaged you can't even open a door. The phone is ringing but you can't even pick it up.

Because you are licensed to possess a firearm, your name, number, address and layout of you house is already known, as is the type of firearm and it's location.

Providence comes with "Emergency Services" attending your address whether alerted by you initially or a neighbor hearing the yelling or smashing. The Cops rush in first, blinding you with torch light, seeing the scene they start yelling "Gedown, Gedown on the ground." You comply but before you say anything a brute knocks the wind out of you and collapses on top of you. You cannot breath. You arms are twisted and you broken hands are crossed and secured with cuffs. You black out.

Long story short.

You are initially charged with murder with the back up charge of manslaughter relying on the evidence for your initial reasons for possessing and using the pistol. Tragically you find your expensive target pistol, big safe and anything else connected with the use of the small .22 is seized. Regardless of the outcome you have no defense because you cannot use self preservation as a reason for possession. 'Stupid' is dead. You are to blame. You might get off on a bond for a few years but the damage is done. No way you'll get you firearm back. The stigma is attached.

This is firearms regulations. If you possess one in Australia don't ever use it for self protection as you will be in default of the regulations. Much the same with edged weapons too.

My thoughts and kind regards,

Bally

edit on 20-5-2020 by bally001 because: I spelled a word wrong.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 04:07 AM
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originally posted by: bally001

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: 727Sky

So is there a break down on the gun crime?

Or is it just people getting caught with now illegal guns not actually using them to facilitate a crime since the buy back started last July?


That pretty well wraps it up. Happened in Australia after Arthur. Couple of prosecutions then everyone hands in their firearms and ammo.

It's kinda like this. It's late, dark. You have a legitimate reason to have a target pistol. Perhaps for legal sporting purposes only. You place it in your authorized and inspected safe and the ammunition in a separate locked safe or container according to the regulations.

Some (usually druggies) maniac starts breaking down your door with an axe. You notify 'emergency', retrieve perhaps your .22 caliber target pistol from safe 1 that you have legitimately used on the range in competitions. Then luckily in time you retrieve .22 ammo from your ammunition safe 2. Because you are trained, you manage to load and as 'stupid the druggy' comes at you with the axe you only manage to yell the word, "don't" and "TIC TAC" place one through the bridge of the nose of 'stupid the druggy'.

The small caliber doesn't stop 'stupid's' advance and before he collapses the axe comes down, smashes the pistol from your hands breaking them.

Regardless of your pain and inability to move your hands after this you manage to retreat. You hear 'stupid the druggy' snorting air through his new nasal cavity.. Your hand are so damaged you can't even open a door. The phone is ringing but you can't even pick it up.

Because you are licensed to possess a firearm, you name, number, address and layout of you house is already known, as is the type of firearm and it's location.

Providence comes with "Emergency Services" attending your address whether alerted by you initially or a neighbor hearing the yelling or smashing. The Cops rush in first, blinding you with torch light, seeing the scene they start yelling "Gedown, Gedown on the ground." You comply but before you say anything a brute knocks the wind out of you and collapses on top of you. You cannot breath. You arms are twisted and you broken hands are crossed and secured with cuffs. You black out.

Long story short.

You are initially charged with murder with the back up charge of manslaughter relying on the evidence for your initial reasons for possessing and using the pistol. Tragically you find your expensive target pistol, big safe and anything else connected with the use of the small .22 is seized. Regardless of the outcome you have no defense because you cannot use self preservation as a reason for possession. 'Stupid' is dead. You are to blame. You might get off on a bond for a few years but the damage is done. No way you'll get you firearm back. The stigma is attached.

This is firearms regulations. If you possess one in Australia don't ever use it for self protection as you will be in default of the regulations. Much the same with edged weapons too.

My thoughts and kind regards,

Bally

Or someone steals the weapon and uses it in a crime, but you are the registered owner, so suspicion falls on you.

There are many reasons why gun ownership is not 'protective'.



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 04:09 AM
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Hope they have more than some marlin lever action when a big ol 460LB 6 foot long boar with 4 inch tusks charges them.. youd be pumping that lever till it broke off. Hell, Id rather face a home invasion. Better odds at survival...



posted on May, 20 2020 @ 04:50 AM
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a reply to: bally001

G'day mate , yeah that's about it, your comments remind of this skit..




posted on May, 20 2020 @ 05:27 AM
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this is utter bollox - pulled out of the arses of people that do not understand corrolation

To understand "corrolation" , one must know how to spell "correlation"

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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 05:54 AM
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To let your government decide how to protect you is insane to me, but ya'll do you. I will continue to protect my family my own way. I don't want or need the governments help.

I guess folks from countries with less freedoms wouldn't understand. Go back and read the history. This country was founded on the disdain for an overreaching government. Why would you all expect us to let them control our lives, our families lives, and how we protect them? Read the second amendment. It was put in it's place to protect us from tyranny, and grants us the right to defend ourselves.

My house is protected by Smith and Wesson and Armalite, not a local Police Department.


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posted on May, 20 2020 @ 06:08 AM
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except you missed the point. No, the point isn't that New Zealand is just like the US. They are vastly different places.

But your government removed all the frightening military style assault murder death rifles, yet your gun crimes went up. But I suppose since the original reason was to stop people from other nations coming to NZ and killing brown folk, your leaders did accomplish that goal. (Though removing those weapons from the law abiding citizens baffles me)

So don't worry about the US crime rate, unless you are in the US. But you should be very concerned as to why your crime rates increased, AFTER the scary ones were removed.
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