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posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 02:11 AM
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Give your selfs a pat on the back 5 page's so far
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posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 02:33 AM
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hey Donkey...Moonbeam...Maui

So much for me disappearing....some of us actually have real lives away from ATS that involves fun and actual real life laughter


I am not going to bother to try to tear down your 'belief' systems. What would be the point of that?

Just as has been stated: in the eyes of mass murderers there is nothing but an empty void; in the eyes of the fervent zealot is the shining light of righteous conviction.

You see, you want me to prove the NON-existence of Supernatural beings, and yet you cant even agree whether they're evil or not.

Why should I waste my time when its quite obvious to the huge majority of normal, well adjusted humans that people like you that want to come out and state publicly that they commune with demons, are actually not quite right.


Originally posted by moonbeam13
if you actually read you would see i have seen one, that’s how i know it exists. my point of the whole thing to the sceptics was if you can believe in aliens, a higher power or any of that then why is it so hard to believe that demons are real and not a mental disorder. as i said i have been to my share of psychologists and they say I’m sane, so explain to me what if not demon if not mental disorder i saw. (go look on previous pages for my first posting and please explain that to me.


Coupla things here: 1st...i don’t believe in aliens in UFO's buzzing our planet. Alien civilisations elsewhere in the Universe, of course. 2nd...Higher power: nope. Where's the evidence and please don’t quote that tired old volume of stories called the Bible.

As for your 'share of psychologists'...errrrr..so you were either sent to specialists, were already a resident in a 'special' hospital for the 'mentally gifted', or exercised your freedom of choice and went of your own accord. And you were told that you are sane. By health care professionals.
...perhaps they were also Demons and told you this to reinforce your ideas.

Communing with Demons is not normal and I do not have to be a trained medical professional or Minister to have an opinion that absolutely refutes the existence of such entities.

Schizophrenia is a serious subject and having lived with a sufferer for years I know how it manifests itself. The arguments and justifications put forward are very persuasive and powerful. But they are founded upon a belief system that is seriously flawed and is directly attributable to a chemical imbalance in the brain.

And to those of you that want to flame me based on your, apparently on this thread, Christian only belief system, that through the power of prayer, one can be saved by allowing Jesus Christ to enter one's heart and that this will Save you from the Demons and defeat them: I say NO.

As for seeing things in the dark and time stopping to allow the catching of a baseball(!)....please refer to my previous posts

You need to check yourself now. Lithium is your answer but enjoy your prayer as I am sure it comforts you.

....and if I saw you on the street and frowned as I passed you, would that appear to be a rictus of hate?

...and if I have a disagreement with you of any sort and spoke to you harshly, would that appear to be intent of evil?

....and if I exerted power over you in any way by suggesting that you have erred in your ways, would that not appear that I am influencing you evilly.

Would any of this make me a Demon? To you: most likely.

Peace Out



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 03:15 AM
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Well hard you have your belif..es err wait no you dont by what you say and how you are acting you don't believe in any thing not yourself not human's not life....

You delude yourself in to thinking none of this is real that ever thing will be all right in the end as you chocolate-coat you life to fit your own end in this ( so called meanless life ) there is no god, no aliens, no nothing.
We are all just synpases firing away in are brain that makes us think talk act and behave how ever it is that eratic beings act....



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by Balaams donkey
Hey moon beam,
Do you here that? ........Silence....no one has any thoughtful to say. No one answered our challenges. It just goes to show you that Atheism is a mental disorder, not belief. Now maybe we can get on with the topic. “Has anyone seen Demons?”, not do they exist. I guess they could not read. “Do they exist?” is a worthy topic, but not in this post.



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Semantics is so easy to use by the ignorant to justify their delusional beliefs...amongst other things....

Personally, I think the clarification in this post makes it even worse: "Have you seen Demons?'' rather than "Do they Exist?"


....hmmmm....so Donkey...you would rather admit to seeing things than their existence...hmmm


As for Atheism being a mental disorder! Because I deny the existence of Your god who created your Demons just for you. ROFLMFAO @ that 1...

Peace Out



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by Vash
Well hard you have your belif..es err wait no you dont by what you say and how you are acting you don't believe in any thing not yourself not human's not life....




It was quite difficult to interpret what this quote meant by you...but i think I got there eventually.

Just because I do not believe in demons or god does not mean that I am deluding myself and do not believe in myself, or life, or humans...or even aliens (check my posts...)

If you want to assign your lifeforce to the control of others' that is your problem. It is a cop-out and then gives you and others like you an excuse to justify any kind of act, evil or otherwise, to a controlling power.

Me, I'm in control of my life and am a Master of Destiny. This is not being arrogant. If more actually decided that they will do their best to create an opportunity to succeed and even if they fail, at least they would have taken a step...to make the difference. To be in control.

If you and others on here like you want to relinquish that control then I am sorry for you.

And on that basis what belief do you have in Humans if, as you have stated, you are 'Watched Over' by Demons and suggest by inference:


Originally posted by Vash

You delude yourself in to thinking none of this is real that ever thing will be all right in the end as you chocolate-coat you life to fit your own end in this ( so called meanless life ) there is no god, no aliens, no nothing

We are all just synpases firing away in are brain that makes us think talk act and behave how ever it is that eratic beings act....



...that we are all controlled by puppetmasters

Now your demons are starting to become a little jumpy I think. So called meaningless life? How did you come by that one


Perhaps Vag...you dont like that I've crashed your little Demon worship party.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 04:04 AM
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hardbodyactiv

Welcome back, well well well. You certainly have a lot to say about something you do not believe in, I wonder why. You have said so many different things that is will be hard to answers them all, as I too have a life, a business to run, and such like. One of the first rules of debate is that when your opponent starts attacking you it means that they have no defenses left.

"Communing with Demons is not normal and I do not have to be a trained medical professional or Minister to have an opinion that absolutely refutes the existence of such entities."

Opinion? What does opinion have to do with the price of tea in China? Things either are, or are not. People see demon's or do not. The demons that people see, are real or are not. Where does someone’s opinion fit in?
What if, my opinion, is that you have no opinion, does that absolutely refute your opinion or even your existence?

Why would you care if demons were real or not? hmmmm....

The whole chemical imbalance idea is just a guess, there is very little evidence to support this claim, when drugs are given is suppresses the brain, so it is less functional. This does not answer the question as to why the person was effected in the first place and it is not a cure. But take the same person whom you would say is chemically imbalanced, subject them to exorcism, and they are fine. Cured, in a just a few days. Why? Do you not agree that it a better way than drugs for life? How is it that a man with a piece of wood(cross), can say some foreign words you never heard before, and you will start spiting, cursing, vomiting, speaking in foreign languages, telling the sins of others, and such like?

Now riddle me this batman, I personally have witnessed many exorcisms. In those exorcisms, the demons would reveal sins of people whom the victim had no previous knowledge of. Demons would talk in foreign languages, that only the priest knew, not the victim? Not just Latin, but early Greek, and early Russian. How now brown cow?

Now I am not attacking you, but please tell me how this could be? Not your opinion. Because you are saying that I and many other well schooled, healthily, perfectly functional people, are lying. Why? Not only Christians believe in demons, so do Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Animists, in fact it is hard to name a religion that does not believe in demons. I have seen them, Vash, and others have seem them, what is your problem?



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by hardbodyactiv

Originally posted by FLYIN HIGH
Yes I have seen one and it scared the hell out of me and my girlfriend at the time. We had been up having a few drinks and well you know what is about to happen between a young man and a young and beautiful girl. One thing led to a marathon session under the covers and we were smoking.


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errrr...u were drinkin & smokin.....welll u aint gonna b the 1st stoner 2 trip out on heavy weed & booze maaaan lmfao...(check ur name: flyin high: hmmm; a clue maybe!)...or do u mean Ssssssmokin!

...also...why not give the name or address of the house...if its that (in)famous it will be on the 'Net so all can investigate?

Soz pal...i dont wanna rip u down just 4 the sake of it...but more serious info is required...less about ur Muskrat luv tho lololol.(thx 2 Captain & Tenille)

ps: finch...without bothering 2 look it up...i think a Muskrat is a bit like a Shrew or Vole or something like that



What is your deal? It is interesting to read the post from other people, there is no need to have you post on psycho-logic state of the poster afterwards.

It is mighty arrogant for you to assume that your view is the more sane of the group. Arrogant indeed to assume that you even know what you are talking about.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 07:46 AM
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Vash, if you don't believe me, then believe Balaam's Donkey. Everything I've heard him say is true which gives me the mild shakes remembering what I went through back then. It affects me very little now but I still remember what it was like.

Pray, train, study.
God bless.



posted on Mar, 21 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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Well Hardbodyactiv your pseudo intelligence bogly's my very mind...

you say so many things to make your self sound smart yet when you come in here ranting and raving about demons how nothing exists it shows your own ignorance..


To saint4god
I do believe you saint its different I believe in god yet I do not I believe in religion yet I have my doubts as does most ppl I do have my belief’s



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by hardbodyactiv
You see, you want me to prove the NON-existence of Supernatural beings, and yet you cant even agree whether they're evil or not.

Why should I waste my time when its quite obvious to the huge majority of normal, well adjusted humans that people like you that want to come out and state publicly that they commune with demons, are actually not quite right.

Coupla things here: 1st...i don’t believe in aliens in UFO's buzzing our planet. Alien civilisations elsewhere in the Universe, of course. 2nd...Higher power: nope. Where's the evidence and please don’t quote that tired old volume of stories called the Bible.

As for your 'share of psychologists'...errrrr..so you were either sent to specialists, were already a resident in a 'special' hospital for the 'mentally gifted', or exercised your freedom of choice and went of your own accord. And you were told that you are sane. By health care professionals.
...perhaps they were also Demons and told you this to reinforce your ideas.

Communing with Demons is not normal and I do not have to be a trained medical professional or Minister to have an opinion that absolutely refutes the existence of such entities.

Schizophrenia is a serious subject and having lived with a sufferer for years I know how it manifests itself. The arguments and justifications put forward are very persuasive and powerful. But they are founded upon a belief system that is seriously flawed and is directly attributable to a chemical imbalance in the brain.

And to those of you that want to flame me based on your, apparently on this thread, Christian only belief system, that through the power of prayer, one can be saved by allowing Jesus Christ to enter one's heart and that this will Save you from the Demons and defeat them: I say NO.



let me start with the evil thing... evil is a human perseption so diffrent people will either see them as good or evil. staunch cristians do to their belief system will argue to the end they are evil.
second...have you even read what i wrote??? on the first page. i never once spoke to it, explain to me then how the alarm could have gone off and the EVERYONE in my house have heard the alarm if it was all in my mind.
third....i wouldnt quote the bible since i am not christian...ooops now what? a non-christian seeing things mmmm.
as for the phycologists i went because i saw these things, i thought i could have Schizophrenia. they did all the test and as i said before i am perfectly sane. why am i even bothering with you, i mean you just admited that you are or were noonoo.
you have done no research on the subject have you? so in other words you dont even know what you are talking about.
shame i feel sorry for those who can beleive in nothing they live sad and lonely lives



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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Bam! Takedown! moonbeam 3 points!



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 04:04 PM
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let me start with the evil thing... evil is a human perseption so diffrent people will either see them as good or evil. staunch cristians do to their belief system will argue to the end they are evil.



Evil is a human perception: We are sentient therefore we are able to decide for ourselves what is good and evil, even if that perception does not match with the vast majority of human beliefs, i.e. murder for fun; cannibalism for food; child rape etc. This does NOT prove in any way shape or form that humans are communing or possessed by demons. Only that in the eyes of the VAST majority, they are evil.




second...have you even read what i wrote??? on the first page. i never once spoke to it, explain to me then how the alarm could have gone off and the EVERYONE in my house have heard the alarm if it was all in my mind.



I have read very carefully all that has been written as it interests me very much that a certain 'profile' of poster has subscribed to this thread, so yes, I read your posts. As for the alarm going off: big deal. So your alarm went off and you had an hysterical reaction. My alarm has often gone off. Means nothing, apart from the fact that the engineer or the electronics are crap, or a big spider nested on the sensor.




third....i wouldnt quote the bible since i am not christian...ooops now what? a non-christian seeing things mmmm.



I did not state that this thread was exclusively populated by Christians, only that it appeared to be since they, along with most religious zealots are very susceptible to this kind of mental interference. You, my dear, have a very different problem, especially since you openly admit that you see 'things'...




as for the psychologists i went because i saw these things, i thought i could have Schizophrenia. they did all the test and as i said before i am perfectly sane. why am i even bothering with you, i mean you just admitted that you are or were noonoo.
you have done no research on the subject have you? so in other words you dont even know what you are talking about.
shame i feel sorry for those who can believe in nothing they live sad and lonely lives


Hmmm...you are sane lolololol...you commune with demons and see and hear things that the vast majority do not. You are surely blessed.

...and I admitted I am....'noonoo'(I assume that means crazy)!!!!????!!!

you better get your reading glasses on luv cause I have mentioned in several threads that my BROTHER was a schizo....not me...I lived with this for years....I had a subject in my house on a daily basis. what kind of 'research' should I have to do?

As for a sad and lonely life. lmao @ that 1...i am not the one terrified by 'demons'....I pity people like you because not only do you not seem likely to ever have the chance to experience any kind of peaceful, enjoyable existence, but you actually appear to revel in this kind of attention. This is the only way you are able to fulfil and justify your existence and give it any kind of substance.

If your gonna flame me...take the time and make the effort to read plain, well spelt and written, english. Surely its worth your while?

And in answer to all the posters out there that have decided to attack me because I am not going to accept your crackpot theory of the existence of demons and are wondering why I am bothering, its because I care about you. Its because I know what you are going through having lived through this, even as an outsider and I KNOW that it is not quite right.

So far all you have done is tell camp-fire tales. Where is your proof? What, just because you all want to create your own little cult of 'Demon Believers' thats supposed to convince me?

This is NOT just a personal opinion.

I challenge you.

Tomorrow at your college, University, work-place, Social Security line, whatever, you approach and converse with a person with whom you have never discussed this subject before...what do you think their reaction will be?

Or is that just because they are so ignorant


P.S. Donkey: this is not about Power, its about Truth. It appears from your later post in your own thread that you do have some serious psychological problems and I urge you to deal with these immediately. With time and perhaps with your faith, you will heal. I hope so.

Peace Out



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 04:57 PM
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Hi Hardbody,

That is more like it! Now you are making some sense. I don’t agree with you, but at least you are being more rational.
Now you say it is about Truth, I am all for that. If demons do not exist, and you can make a clear case for this, then you will have been a great help to us all. I will gladly listen and carefully read your well written claims.


You are guessing. Tisk Tisk. My doctors here at the hospital tell me I am not disturbed, but different.


Appeal to mass opinion is not logical claim. Plus, as you can see here many people accept the fact of demons, as has most of human history, it has only been in the last years that some people have tried to explain it away. Most people I have talked to confirm the fact of demons, once they realize I will not laugh them down. It is clear that no one would ever tell you anything. Who would want to deal with your mocking?

I already challenged you! Now you have not answered my questions asked previously in this thread. As to why do people speak in foreign languages, things move, rooms become dark, and such like. Please read, and comment on that post, as I would like to hear you answers, not mocking, any two year old can mock. Well, it is time for my meds, got to go.

By the way, Hardbody, you are starting to put up a fight. Good for you.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 05:39 PM
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You people might want to be careful.......
Demons tend to like to be invoked......
I hope none of you have..um...tried to summon a demon cause that is just
!!!!!!!!
Oh no!!!
DEMONS!



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 05:49 PM
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Demons don't exist.

If demons did exist, then it would prove that only those
religeons that speak of them are true.

I notice that the demons that have been seen closely
resemble US T.V programmes and bible discriptions.

Aliens are demons huh?
I understand that the world isn't very ecxiting, but really?
Maybe a job isn't out of the question?
(Just joshing dude)



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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You said, demons do not exist. Why? What is the reason you said this?
You said, If demons do exist, then it would prove that religions that speak of them are true. This does not seem to follow.

It would seem that, if religions or people that were religious were to speak of them, and they were real, then what they say about demons would be correct. Not the whole of the religion. Case in point, Christians and Satanists both believe in demons. If demons were true, then it does not necessary follow that, Christianity and Satanism would then both be true.

Now, I do not think that was your claim, but it is what you wrote. I believe your claim is that, if demons exist, then God would, and we can't have that. Is this your claim? If so why?



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 06:28 PM
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Please excuse me, I meant that there has never
been any scientific proof of demons and if you
would be so kind as to investigate about demons
in religeons, you'll find that their discriptions change
as time goes on.



posted on Mar, 22 2005 @ 07:49 PM
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There has never been any scientific proof of demons! Really. If you read my earlier posts, I list science documents. The basis of science is observation, how could anybody report anything if the do not see, hear, feel, smell, or taste it? Thus, it is science, when someone reports seeing something. Now observation is not a conclusion, but you cannot discount it, without reason. This is how the courts work, is that not correct? You see someone kill, or steal or such like, you call the police and they take you report, all based on your observation. Now we cannot see gravity, but see the effects of it. We cannot capture a demon, be some people see them. So, to back up you statement that there is no scientific proof, please list a number of scientific organizations that make this claim. Also there is not any scientific proof of you as of yet, it does not mean you do not exist. 100 years ago there was not scientific proof of most of the universe that we see today, it does not mean it did not exist.

Also, if you read my posts you will see that I have studied a number of the worlds religions, and their history. What is remarkable is the demons almost identical in description. Black, horns, evil, hateful, repugnant, fear causing, bodiless, and the like. Please, that a look at the painting of the Australian aborigines, compared to the Myna Indians, to the Tibetan Buddhists, to the Christians, to the Jews, to the Muslims, to the African animists. Now even if the description changes, it does not mean demons do not exist, it could mean that they change, or how people see and describe them changes.

How would you refute moombeam’s observation? She is, non-Christian and mentally healthy. You are very such of your claim, if you tell us how you are so sure, then maybe we could be sure of your claim as well, please tell us.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by hardbodyactiv

I have read very carefully all that has been written as it interests me very much that a certain 'profile' of poster has subscribed to this thread, so yes, I read your posts. As for the alarm going off: big deal. So your alarm went off and you had an hysterical reaction. My alarm has often gone off. Means nothing, apart from the fact that the engineer or the electronics are crap, or a big spider nested on the sensor.



and what is that suppose to mean? the alarm had no faults in it we had maintance done on it the week before and we brought in someone to check it out the next day and it was fine. the door is a sensor not an eye so the only way for that sensor to go off is if the pad on the door is not in connection to the sensor. the alarm would have therefore gone off autimaticaly if the door was not bypassed. ok next explination...




I did not state that this thread was exclusively populated by Christians, only that it appeared to be since they, along with most religious zealots are very susceptible to this kind of mental interference. You, my dear, have a very different problem, especially since you openly admit that you see 'things'...



oh forgive i will come to you from now on for mental health since you ar 'obviously' more qualified than any other phycologist (who rule me sane) i have seen.




Hmmm...you are sane lolololol...you commune with demons and see and hear things that the vast majority do not. You are surely blessed.

...and I admitted I am....'noonoo'(I assume that means crazy)!!!!????!!!



you dont listen do you. i have NEVER spoken to a demon. prehaps i am blessed or mabee it is just that your mind is sooo closed off to anything you see only what is physicaly infront of you. yes noonoo is crazy thats what we call it in SA.




you better get your reading glasses on luv cause I have mentioned in several threads that my BROTHER was a schizo....not me...I lived with this for years....I had a subject in my house on a daily basis. what kind of 'research' should I have to do?



ooh so that now makes you an expert does it. sorry the way i read it you were saying you were noonoo.




As for a sad and lonely life. lmao @ that 1...i am not the one terrified by 'demons'....I pity people like you because not only do you not seem likely to ever have the chance to experience any kind of peaceful, enjoyable existence, but you actually appear to revel in this kind of attention. This is the only way you are able to fulfil and justify your existence and give it any kind of substance.



i do not live in terror, i live in truth and knowledge. i know there is more to this world than meets the eyes. the reason i keep posting on this forum is because ignorance infuriates me.




So far all you have done is tell camp-fire tales. Where is your proof? What, just because you all want to create your own little cult of 'Demon Believers' thats supposed to convince me?



typical making it all about yourself.




I challenge you.

Tomorrow at your college, University, work-place, Social Security line, whatever, you approach and converse with a person with whom you have never discussed this subject before...what do you think their reaction will be?



the diffrence between their ignorance and yours is they admit they no nothing and dont try to look like they do and in the process make fools of themselves. so research on the subject, go read hystoriacal texts go research diffrent religions know what you talk of before you talk.


Originally posted by IronMan


If demons did exist, then it would prove that only those
religeons that speak of them are true.



go look up your religions and tell me which one does not refer to some form of demon. there are none, there are even in the anceint beliefs demonic creatures.




I notice that the demons that have been seen closely
resemble US T.V programmes and bible discriptions.



Where do you think holliwood gets most of their ideas??




Aliens are demons huh?



i cant say i beleive aliens and demons are the same thing, i believe aliens are out there i am just not so sure they visit earth.




Please excuse me, I meant that there has never
been any scientific proof of demons and if you
would be so kind as to investigate about demons
in religeons, you'll find that their discriptions change
as time goes on.



actually there is, if you do your research you will find that they have proven their exstence. well actually it depends on wether you count poltergiest activity as demoninc. i know you are going to ask me where i got this info from go search on yahoo or google you should find it, go look on national goegraphics website too.



posted on Mar, 23 2005 @ 06:56 AM
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this is a post about demons does not mean people need to show up and start demonizing those who have to deal with them. If you've never had any interaction with a demon, then by what authority do you have to speak on them? It's certainly not experience. People who have to deal with these things have listened to the predictable "you're crazy" speech a hundred times. Do you really think it's going to be heard as anything else except noise? Nobody cares about someone's doubting opinion on something they've never experience. Either help or go carpet bombing somewhere else.


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