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has any one seen..Demon's?

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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:33 AM
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Mr. Dog


Just for the sake of discussion, can we define what a demon is, and how one would objectively identify one?

This is a bit difficult here, as many have different views. Vash created this thread so others could post their observations, so she could better understand what she is dealing with. So the standard is an evil dark being from hell, that is spiritual and bodiless. This is common to most cultures, dark, evil, hate, bad news, tricky, and such like.
Vash gave a pretty clear description of what she is seeing, but see is questioning the motives of this dark, winged spirits. Sorry that I cannot be of more help.




Humans have created devices with greater strength than humans.


Well, I can see your point, that if humans can create devices with greater strength that humans, then why cannot God create humans with more mercy than God?
But, this is a bit off of the mark. When a human makes a device he does not create the materials, he finds them and assembles them, so we humans are not creators in that sense, we are merely assemblers of creation.

When I use a device, such as a wooding lever to lift a rock, all of the things I use were created by God, myself, the wood and the rock, we can point to the source of origin.

So humans with more mercy than God, begs the question, where did the greater mercy come form? Who created it? Do you see the problem of saying that created beings could have greater love or mercy than their creator? These are the arguments put forth by the early Greek thinkers, Plato, Socrates, and the rest. Of course I understand why you ask the question as these things were discussed for many many years. It not so simple at first.




posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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Well, I can see your point, that if humans can create devices with greater strength that humans, then why cannot God create humans with more mercy than God?
But, this is a bit off of the mark. When a human makes a device he does not create the materials, he finds them and assembles them, so we humans are not creators in that sense, we are merely assemblers of creation.



Your question was dealing in generalities, and not necessarily a God. However, bringing it up:

Assembling something new from existing part certainly does fit the idea of creation; moreover, what is to prevent God from creating from previous creations anyway? In Genesis, didn't God make man from pre-existing dust? Didn't God make Eve from a pre-existing rib?

Our origin directly comes from God imposing his magical abilities on dust and a rib. A machine's origin comes from humans imposing their mental and physical abilities on rock. The only difference is the method, or the "how" -- which, as I noted before, can vary.

It wasn't me that asked the question, it was you. I'm not totally sure what the question had to do with an unjust distribution of resources between angels, and humans.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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Why did I bother trying...

Guys common, just post what you think, and if you agree with someone say it, if you dont then dont say it...it'll make things easier...or at least duke it out in U2U >_>



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:41 PM
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Is anyone, or does anyone know of anyone that... hunts, kills or destroys demons. Im being deadly serious here.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by wyatt43
Is anyone, or does anyone know of anyone that... hunts, kills or destroys demons. Im being deadly serious here.


Well, I once heard of (deadly serious, as you are) a group of priests who actually travelled the world exorcising demons from people. They were more than the usual televangelist, I can tell you. It was on a radi oshow I heard a while back. Either Spaceman or Richard Syrrett (both on 640am Toronto). It was about a year back ,you might be able ot find an audio clip. I based the graphic novels I'm writing now and an entire book on what they talked about and their beliefs. Sorry if that's not much of a hlep for you.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by wyatt43
Is anyone, or does anyone know of anyone that... hunts, kills or destroys demons. Im being deadly serious here.


As in some kind of Keanu constatine fashion? No....but

I don't know about the U.K but in the US, particularly the west, and south west parts, there are MANY santeria, or Botanica (stores, centres, churches, I know not what to label them)

Anyways they routinely deal with what they believe to be evil spirits and or demons, and exorcising, & destroying them. Some however admit to cavorting with them as well. Go figure.

As for actually seeing demons; there was a time in my life when I was extremely involved in the "occult" and "black magic"...Well anyways I had an experience that used to be called the "old hag syndrom" (and yes before anyone feels the need to mention Japanese research into sleep parlaysis, yes I am aware of it, however my experience happened in broad daylight) at that time I did believe it was a demon.

Now though I question it's true nature, because at the end of the day I really don't know what it was that I saw.

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[edit on 26-4-2005 by phoenixhasrisin]



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:03 PM
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I havent read this whole thread, I am just responding to the topic question, so sorry if I say something that has already been said.

I have seen, what you could call demons. They're extremely tall, lanky shadows in a humanoid shape. I always see them running. Damn fast too. I know that something is there, because I always get this sense of intense fear right before I see it, and I always hear bushes rustling when they run through them. Once I saw one run straight into a van, and made this muffled thud sound. Aside from the obvious far-fetched ness of this, it's also weird to note that sometimes they have a dark greyish look rather than a black shadow. I dunno, maybe i'm just seeing some greys... but that is kinda even stranger. all I know is that when I see them, its always at dusk, they start running the second I look at them, and I get extremely afraid whenever i'm near one. maybe this is more of a cry for help than an actual confirmation to your question... but please dont dismiss this as a joke, because its real



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:09 PM
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"Vash gave a pretty clear description of what she is seeing, but see is questioning the motives of this dark, winged spirits."

mothmen. Not like the ones from the movie, the real ones. Rest assured, i've done research on them, and found that they are pretty neutral in intention, if not good. Nonetheless, one might still fear them as it is the natural reaction of the human mind to fear something foreign. Much like a bird fears a human. The bird will flee unless it discovers on its own that the human is harmless. No matter what we try to do or say to it, it will only understand it's own logic, much like how you will never be able to explain the existence of ants to the ants themselves. Yes I am implying that humans are foriegn to this planet.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by Annunaki
I havent read this whole thread, I am just responding to the topic question, so sorry if I say something that has already been said.

I have seen, what you could call demons. They're extremely tall, lanky shadows in a humanoid shape. I always see them running. Damn fast too. I know that something is there, because I always get this sense of intense fear right before I see it, and I always hear bushes rustling when they run through them. Once I saw one run straight into a van, and made this muffled thud sound. Aside from the obvious far-fetched ness of this, it's also weird to note that sometimes they have a dark greyish look rather than a black shadow. I dunno, maybe i'm just seeing some greys... but that is kinda even stranger. all I know is that when I see them, its always at dusk, they start running the second I look at them, and I get extremely afraid whenever i'm near one. maybe this is more of a cry for help than an actual confirmation to your question... but please dont dismiss this as a joke, because its real


Being dead serious here now. What you described is EXACTLY what me and my friends used to call "The Shadow People" when we were younger, and all on glass (methamphetamines). We would usually see them at dusk, then again at dawn.

Occasionally I still see this sort of thing, but no where near as frequent as when I was a tweaker. Perhaps I caused some permanent damage, I don't know ? Perhaps mind altering substances do help "tune"people into the "other" worlds as shamans have always claimed....I don't know...

I do not want to assume that you use illegal substances, but IF this is the case try giving them a rest for a while, see if you still see them. Can't hurt can it?



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:33 PM
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I dont think meth or drugs had anything to do with it, b/c im the cleanest person you can possibly find (i dont even touch alcohol), and I see these things almost at least 5 times a year (maybe more). Shadow people? sounds like a fitting title. I want to know what they are though. funny that you saw them more frequently when you were younger, b/c I cant remember one day out of my very early childhood where I didn't see one of these things, or had a dream that i'd seen one, and wake up with one running out "through" my window. did you see them running all the time? I d

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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:38 PM
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did you see them running all the time? I d


They were always running. It would seem as if as soon as you focused on it, or noticed it, it will dart!

Sound familiar?



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by wyatt43
Is anyone, or does anyone know of anyone that... hunts, kills or destroys demons. Im being deadly serious here.


Yes. It is not our job. I am serious.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin

did you see them running all the time? I d


They were always running. It would seem as if as soon as you focused on it, or noticed it, it will dart!

Sound familiar?


sounds very familiar. its like, the only reason they would catch my attention was because I saw something humanoid, but really tall, in the corner of my eye. But when I turned to see what it was, it would dart out of my field of vision, as if to act as though it wasnt even there. I used to question if what I saw was even real, but hearing someone else say they've seen the same thing is kinda creepy.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 08:00 PM
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its like, the only reason they would catch my attention was because I saw something humanoid, but really tall, in the corner of my eye. But when I turned to see what it was, it would dart out of my field of vision, as if to act as though it wasnt even there. I used to question if what I saw was even real, but hearing someone else say they've seen the same thing is kinda creepy.


Like I said though I do not trust all of my perceptions at that time because we were tweaking. But it was'nt just one or two of us that saw them, ALL OF US DID!

Let me guess around 8ft, small heads though. Thin Elongated arms and legs, sort of hunched over a tad? Almost as if spying on you, or perhaps even taunting you? When they run they NEVER go behind anything either, and their legs don't move but rather the whole "form" moves , and it's as if they meld in the SHADOWS of things? About the gist of it? Heres something to try if you are not afraid, next time you see one out of the corner of your eye , resist the urge to turn your head and look, watch what happens.

You might think I am crazy but my friends and I had the audacity to try to follow a few. It never ended well. And I can not suggest that you do the same.

Like I said though, I am not willing to fully trust my perceptions at that time, and I am undecided as to the spiritual benefits of mind altering substances(especially man-made ones), and on top of that, we were all into "black-magic" or whatever you want to call it. All these things must be taken into consideration.

All I know is what you described intrigued me , because it sounds exactly like what we termed the shadow people. coincidentally enough most meth users admit to seeing them as well. Don't let it freak you out though, we could both just be clinically insane.



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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 11:42 PM
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Okay. here is where our differences cancel out sort of. I had estimated to be more like 9ft, but 8-9 not much of a difference. Your right about the form moving bit. Except they looked like they were in a running stance, just moving so fast that you couldnt really tell how it was moving because, yes, their entire form moved rapidly, and almost randomly, but with intent. They don't run around anything, they just kinda move through it. Same time I witnessed it with a group of friends, was they same as yours minus the drugs. It was by a lake and we were riding our bikes. At the time I was too young to even know black magic and what not was real, so that factor is ruled out too. we were "drawn" to that area I guess. but then we saw this dark grey figure just haul ass out of nowhere when these headlights swept across it. The sudden movement scared the crap out of us, and we rode our bikes (faster than I can even go today) home screaming. The reality is that we saw a humanoid creature. it wasn't a deer b/c there aren't many deer in san antonio, besides it was a suburban neighborhood. They were for sure thin, very thin. But I dont remember any facial features, then again, it would be pretty hard to see anyways.

The most recent "sighting" i had was here in washington. I was walking home at dusk, and it was a particularly dark road. I heard a twig crack and saw out of the corner of my eye that same figure except it was moving very slowly, but fluidlike. When I turned to look at it, it bolted out of the persons front yard, straight toward thier white van. I remember seeing it's shadow on the van cast from the headlights of an oncoming car. I heard a loud thud as the car passed, and after the car passed, it had dissappeared. This time I went to where I had seen it standing, but found nothing. This happened so close to my house, that to this day, I get this feeling that they're outside just watching me like they were watching you. Now that I am pretty sure that these things are real, I can help but to wonder those three questions: How, What, and Why? I think maybe we should start a thread about this, and see if anyone else has witnessed the same things.



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 03:46 AM
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i know of those who hunt demons.

to all those who think it is lunacy to see demons let me ask you one question and be honest in your answer. why is it just because you cant see them they dont exsist??? prehaps you are so doped up on meds that is why you cant see them. is prehaps that you do not want to see them and that is why you can not??? what makes you sooo sure that they dont exsist and that it is due to some medical illness or drugs or alchol that people see them??? and while i say that mabee you can explain me, i have see noonoo doctors and they say i am sane, i have never touch drugs in my life and will never, i hate taking medication so i dont and i have only ever once gotten drunk and will not do it again, so explain then how it is that i can see what you claim does not exsist.



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 04:00 AM
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pheonixhasrisen & annunaki,

seeing as you can both attest to 'shadow people' what do you think of these photos? similar? this link surfaces on ATS regularly, so you may have already seen em'.

www.anomalies-unlimited.com...



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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wyatt43


Is anyone, or does anyone know of anyone that... hunts, kills or destroys demons. Im being deadly serious here.


Christ gave the apostles the power over demons, but not to kill or destroy them. I am fully aware of people who have this power and have seen it in action many, many times. I am not joking or surmising at all, it is very real.

Why do you ask wyatt?

Hey everybody I will be gone for a week, take care.

Mr. Dog,

Well, I am sure that you can see how it is logical to say that God must have greater love and mercy than his creations.



When we speak of justice in terms of equality and 'fair share' (wherein the word historically has the past/root), I think it is really hard to show that humans and angels were created equally, thus the result of Satan's jealousy and/or pride being shown. Satan being jealous, imo, is great evidence that injustice was being done (i.e. God has infinite resources to distribute as he and form as he wishes, yet angels did not get an equal share of resources as humans.) Thereby in this situation we have God being a provider of injustice towards humans and angels.


It is common for people to defend the criminal (Satan), why I do not know. God commands man to serve man, and we do not become filled with jealous rage. In fact Christ Himself served man, because to serve is to love. This is why Satan's rebellion is illogical in all ways, and pointless. He loses everything and gains nothing

Your logic about God having to share his infinite resources is flawed also, whereas, if your logic be true, then no would be happy until they were God Himself. Equality is not the standard of the universe, Love, light and life are those standards. God by definition is the arbitrator of justice, not his creations.

Your logic would justify an older son rebelling against his Father for asking him to watch his little brother, to make sure he does run into the street. Your logic seems to say the older brother is justified in pushing the younger into traffic.

Dog please forgive me as I do not know how to discuss this in such away as to bring you closer to my position. The way that I know is it to show the logical flaws. This puts the other person in a very uncomfortable position of having to admit the position they hold is flawed in someway. It is really a terrible way of dealing with things. Sorry, my friend. For it is easy to see you are smart, kind, and opened minded. Even if you offer tough questions, you do not do so in hate or malice, thank you very much for this. May we both always submit to truth.



edit, added the letter to Mr. Dog.

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[edit on 27-4-2005 by Balaams donkey]



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Balaams donkey
wyatt43


Is anyone, or does anyone know of anyone that... hunts, kills or destroys demons. Im being deadly serious here.


Christ gave the apostles the power over demons, but not to kill or destroy them. I am fully aware of people who have this power and have seen it in action many, many times. I am not joking or surmising at all, it is very real.


Christ actually said that all believers would be able to do the things that he did (including the removal of demons). If Christianity is true, then all you need to do is believe, and them command them to be gone.




Your logic about God having to share his infinite resources is flawed also, whereas, if your logic be true, then no would be happy until they were God Himself.


This doesn't follow. God does have infinite resources; if he runs out, he can always create more. God having limited resources in some ways contradicts the christian definition of God.



Equality is not the standard of the universe, Love, light and life are those standards. God by definition is the arbitrator of justice, not his creations.


Humans did not create the notion of equality (imo). 1=1, 2=2, 3=3, etc. would have been true no matter if humans came to be or not. If God is the arbitrator of justice, then necessarily he is unjust in this scenario. I gave specific examples earlier wherein God could have put angels on an equal footing with humans.



Your logic would justify an older son rebelling against his Father for asking him to watch his little brother, to make sure he does run into the street. Your logic seems to say the older brother is justified in pushing the younger into traffic.


No, no, no. I am saying, the father gives the younger son $10.00, just because he is his creation (or, offspring in this case). While, at the same time, the father still has plenty of money, and does not give any money to the older son. You have to ask yourself, "is this fair?" Wouldn't equality demand that the older son also receive $10.00 since he is also the father's offspring and the father can afford it?

In this case, too, the older son's jealousy can be seen as a little bit of evidence that something unjust took place.



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by lost
pheonixhasrisen & annunaki,

seeing as you can both attest to 'shadow people' what do you think of these photos? similar? this link surfaces on ATS regularly, so you may have already seen em'.

www.anomalies-unlimited.com...


Ive always been able to see things that are moving relatively fast, so I suppose i could say that these are low quality renditions of what i've witnessed personally. Then again, a digital camera would be limited by framerate whereas a human eye isn't. This is so strange to me though. I never knew anyone else, let alone thousands, had ever seen these things...



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