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Jesse Marcel really thought it was alien though!
originally posted by: joelr
And does he think people were so stupid in 1947 that people would pass around a piece of an actual ufo ship at a meeting? "Hey guys check out this alien metal, let me know if you get infected with any alien viruses or nano-technology".
originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
Professor Charles Moore Affidavit:
"I have specific recollection of reinforcing tape applied to the seams of the reflectors that had some symbols like arcs, flowers, circles, and diamonds. They were pinkish in color."
Note on the revised 307C/AP blueprint, there is a mention of using Scotch brand tape and placement on the seams of the target:
"SHALL BE SCOTCH ACETATE FILM TAPE (?) AS MADE BY MINNESOTA MINING & MFG CO ST. PAUL MINN OR EQUAL."
This has been discussed by others before, but Scotch and other brand acetate tapes came in different printed designs:
I disagree, I think Marcel was completely serious about the alien writing. It's not clear if he realized the symbols on the sticks were left there by the tape, Newton's affidavit refers to the symbols. Marcel showed some debris to his son and somehow also convinced his son it was alien.
originally posted by: joelr
Marcel was probably only a tiny bit serious about scotch tape being alien. I don't know the extent to how serious he was but he must have generally realized what was what.
" It was cut and dried. I had sent up thousands of them and there is no doubt that what I was given was parts of a ballon. I was later told that a Major from Roswell had identified the stuff as a flying saucer.....(Moore) But wouldn’t the people at Roswell have been able to identify a balloon on their own? Newton: They certainly should have. It was a regular Rawin sonde.They must have seen hundreds of them.
originally posted by: TheMadScientist2
no word about interacting with Marcel , nothing about the tape.
If he was misquoted, he could have put things straight when he was interviewed ten years later by Kevin Randle, where he confirmed his testimony.
During the ensuing years I have been interviewed by many authors, I have been quoted and misquoted. The facts remain as indicated above. I was not influenced during the original interview, nor today, to provide anything but what I know to be true, that is, the material I saw in General Ramey's office as the remains of a balloon and a RAWIN target
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
-My response is that this is an eye-opener on several things. First, he's only human so he's subject to misperceptions like the rest of us, we are all capable of those. But I think his problems went beyond that, like calling the material that was found in many small pieces scattered over a huge debris field indestructible. To say the analytical capabilities of a man that would make such an obviously self-contradicting statement are lacking would be an understatement. As for his promotion, he apparently had never seen such a radar target before like Irving Newton had, so his inability to identify it shouldn't prevent a promotion if his other duties were carried out proficiently. But the statements he makes about the debris really do paint him as sort of an idiot in my opinion, like when he says the foil was hit with a sledgehammer, and nothing happened to it. What an extremely stupid thing to say. I hit a piece of foil with a sledgehammer too, and nothing obvious happened to it, what did he expect to happen? It's already pretty flat, so a blow with a sledgehammer won't make it look much flatter. Apparently he thought that was somehow supporting evidence for the material being indestructible, but it's more like evidence that he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
So I'm completely unconvinced by the argument that this man Marcel was in charge of security for nuclear weapons so we can and should take him seriously, because we don't put idiots in charge of such important responsibilities. I see it more or less the opposite way, that apparently we did have a man in charge of nuclear weapon security who had at the very least some extremely severe analytical shortcomings, so it doesn't fill me with confidence about the human factor related to nuclear weapons.
Have you listened to his interviews talking about the debris field filled with lots of little pieces of the indestructible material? He sounded serious about that too and I don't think he had the slightest clue how idiotic that sounds, and apparently neither did some Roswell believers which tells you something about their analytical capabilities as well. In that interview he also said the debris was not from this earth, and he didn't sound like he was joking even a little bit, he sounded completely serious.
Listen to him say he's quite sure it wasn't from earth and tell me if you still think he wasn't serious.